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Just a hint - Exsiled_one - 04-01-2011
For TLDR people (It's blaming myself and pointing out few interesting things. protecting indies too kinda)
For others disclaimer: I am not sorry for way I ever acted, but I do realize I was fueled by desires and that's not the way to live, not in game or in real life. Of course we all have desires but clinging to them is what creates suffering and problems. This is just observation.
So hey, I used to justify and modify my roleplay heavily and changed my opinions left and right to be able to punish the people I thought played the game differently, or should I say, without realization of what is their gameplay doing to others.
Thanks to my time spent roleplaying on paper on some of the semi larp servers on the Mirc I had more than enough experience to turn any situation into a roleplay and "out roleplay" the other person if I was in the poorer situation than he is.
I used Y key heavily to find out where traders are and when are they coming and I used to send people (from my faction) at them and have them blow them up should they try to resist.
Then the mining came and I "noticed" more and more evil that was bothering my "holy ego that could do no wrong"
So my rp went deeper and I stopped (not that i was ever good) PVP completely, remaining only on piracy and smuggling for the time being. I just loved when miners f1ed or when people cried how they cannot form their own destiny in this game. I fed on their emotions, sanction reports (that I never got to see), their hate and their curse words that were sometimes even in my primary language.
There was also time when I behaved like a big hypocrite because I charged one zoner with all his cargo and let go of other one completely because he knew me from somewhere else. During all this time I often commented how their roleplay sucks and how my roleplay is the roleplay people should be guided with.
The anger slowly grew and sometimes I would think about Freelancer when I was far from the freelancer. Not even weed helped that much, as soon as the talk was boring or no girls were around I would sink into Freelancer thoughts and plotted the corporation slowly.
Out of self love, not wisdom I decided to let go of bringing "karmic justice" to the Sirius or Omegas and I decided to form that Corporation and see what would happen there. Because at that moment I would have a non PVP corporation that I could lead and people would listen.
See in OPG, I was pretty high at the top since Gentle knew my potential but I was always sucking at PVP, and thus I knew that I cannot just make another faction somewhere near because leader must lead in everything the corporation does. Again, while I spoke about taking a challenge to others, I myself was fleeing from it.
It's ok, it's only a game after all.
My ideas brought fruit, some of my ideas were recognized few months after I gave up on them, some of them made it into events ingame and we all had fun. But it was "fun" while things were going my way.
So I thought about that miner that I pirated, and his screams and his f1 and coming to hunt me with the capital ship he totally misplaced in Dublin, and my shield to evade him and cap8 ptrans with whatever on it that was just made to suck out that misery from the miner (not ore, screw that i had 3bil then, i was after the misery) and I realized that I'm equally to blame for this place as that guy that f1s and has 3 caps to protect his miner.
Root of the problem is the same you know? I'm just worse because I see his problem and he doesn't see mine.
factioned or not, if you have a clear head on your shoulders every encounter you will have will be interesting and the encounter where you find another clear headed individual will be something you'll remember longer than.. longcat.
Just a hint - Lunaphase - 04-01-2011
Very well said. I agree. Too much gunning to ruin peoples day, not enough will to rp around here lately. Very mature to post this as well, kudos.
Just a hint - Ark - 04-01-2011
I think Ivan might be walking the path to enlightenment.
Just a hint - mang109 - 04-02-2011
A great post Ivan, definitley made me think.
I certainly know what you mean about feeding on misery. I still massivley enjoy an encounter where the miner/trader/"victim" screams at me in russian, or tells me how I will be banned. I'm not entirely sure why. Maybe it is out of some strange superior feeling.
I also know in some way what you say about hypocrasy. I will happily RP/chat/negotiate with an official/well know faction. However if its an indie ? I pretty much fall back to 2mil r die. I just don't care what indies say. Which is unfair, and I know it.
Just a hint - Vladimir - 04-02-2011
Best 1 april post on this forum.
Just a hint - VoluptaBox - 04-02-2011
' Wrote:Best 1 april post on this forum.
Just a hint - Exsiled_one - 04-02-2011
<3 Vlad.
I remember when hessian miners came to the server for the first time. They used to mine in o7 and I became a nuisance. I remember them logging off gunboats and bombers near jump holes and f1ing when I'm at 12k so I get no notice of it.
I remember Malexa and other admins tailing me with cloak on so they can confirm my reports of people just being mean when it comes to mining. And I was so furious that people f1ed that I had this need to correct them all.
You know, when someone is plain breaking the rules and you decide to be his judge and jury and executor.
I remember being such a sneaky bastard that I logged off on top of the miners in o7, waited for them to log on and then logged on their head. They would still f1 but I'd get the ore.
I felt so good. You know how long did it last? For about 15 seconds before swarm of gunboats took me down.
But I kept on pushing. I decided to f1 in space whenever i blow up a miner. No one is around to know it, and they're too far with the gunboats to screenshot the f1. I felt so proud again.
It lasted about 5 minutes this time.
Don't take me the wrong way, the f1 from miners or any cheating isn't good, and shouldn't be done. But their cheating breeds them bad future, and in the end when it all comes down to skill their money will do them no good. And they cling so much to that "I WIN!" desire that they are ready to sacrifice their dignity and honor just to win those 15mil.
Do not do the same thing as they do. Do not "cling" over the things in freelancer, and try to do it less in real life as well. This peace comes out of it because if you cling you get in this recycling wheel that just keeps on sucking happiness and good will in and spitting misery out.
Small edit, smarter in the morning:
Basically when A is and B is
then A gets "born" and B gets "born"
When A isn't and B isn't
Then A disappears and B disappears
When there's taking a situation in rp personal (beyond your player in game) and you cling onto it (or chase it)
and this idea of something personal happening to you gets "born" and suddenly there's a chance of frustration.
When there's no idea of things being personal, then there is nothing to cling onto
and the idea of YOU (player) being involved in the game beyond roleplaying your character fades, and so does frustration.
Just a hint - 11of10 - 04-02-2011
' Wrote:When there's taking a situation in rp personal (beyond your player in game) and you cling onto it (or chase it)
and this idea of something personal happening to you gets "born" and suddenly there's a chance of frustration.
When there's no idea of things being personal, then there is nothing to cling onto
and the idea of YOU (player) being involved in the game beyond roleplaying your character fades, and so does frustration.
Prvo, svaka čast za tekst (I just gave him praise guys...)
Second, more important:
If you are dedicated to a game, you do it because you like it. If you distance yourself from it, the emotions that carry you to proceed with playing the game fade, and with it, fades the interrest in the game, and you leave it, to play something else. So, you can't have people play the game, and not get mad at you because you pirated them, especially when they are new to the server, have just started, and are trying their best to get that big ship they always wanted, but is unique to Discovery, be it a Legate, a LNS Dread, a Rhein Turtle, or just a Barge or Advanced Train. If they don't mind being pirated, that means they have a lot of money behind them and just don't care about 2-50 million credits.
Also, another thing: you can get not emotional if you fulfill your life in some other way, for instance: working. Doing something that makes you feel nice is important, but remember that a lot of players around here are kids, not very skilled at social interactions, and feel like their whole world is revolving around online games.
Not that it's good for them or anybody else, but, are we sure we can heal someone by beating the crap out of them?
Just a hint - Exsiled_one - 04-02-2011
well you can take joy from playing without actually becoming too attached to the fact that you have to win. It is not about general interest of the game, you can still have that, you just have to thread lightly.
I did not say it's a simple thing to do, it requires a big dose of willpower and going against what you're used to. But one is used to doing good things and bad things thats why we have good and bad habits.
In this case I would say that actually playing the game itself is reality and that whatever happens is reality of the game. But when you take in your desires or wishes in it and project what would you WANT to happen, it becomes your projection not reality. And that is where you get lost and where you get mad.
Playing a game because it is fun without projecting or expecting anything can be quite liberating.
On the other hand you have playing the game with projecting. If I do this this and that I will earn for this and then I will do that and then I will be happy. That's not something that can happen for sure. And more you plan and more you want it, the bigger frustration will be once you either fail to have it, or get it and then lose it.
Just a hint - 11of10 - 04-02-2011
' Wrote:Playing a game because it is fun without projecting or expecting anything can be quite liberating.You're on to something there, definitely.
On the other hand you have playing the game with projecting. If I do this this and that I will earn for this and then I will do that and then I will be happy. That's not something that can happen for sure. And more you plan and more you want it, the bigger frustration will be once you either fail to have it, or get it and then lose it.
However, if you play the game, as is, we might as well all be flying 2tizzy 4 nomad eagles without armor.
Planning, projecting, are those wishes, per chance? And, we do want our wishes to come true, mostly, eh?
I think the truth is in the middle: not in just taking things for granted, and not advancing, but not in having unrealistic wishes. Just, wishing what's real.
Ok, I think you already said that, so this might just be a +1 post, but I had to say it.
Cheers