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About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - chopper - 02-04-2008
So, here it goes..
Quote:6.18 Owners of Terrorist IDs have a right to attack:
- Trader ships that do not pay for passage
- Everyone else
Quote:6.19 Pirates and terrorists have a right to deal as much damage as they see fit before or after demanding money from a trader ship, but killing trader ship before demanding money is not allowed. Attacking traders or demanding cargo is not allowed for cruisers and battleships, unless cruisers and battleship belong to Terrorist ID or Phantom ID owner.
Quote:By caylith
It says on the Phantom ID that we're not allowed to ask for payment from traders. It moves; it dies. Those who can pick up a Xeno ID...have to ask for tax/payment. Those who pick up a BD ID have to ask for tax/payment.
The TERRORIST ID has been given to 3 players on the server. If you hold a Phantom or Terrorist ID, you have free reign to attack any and all you choose. Those who hold those ID's have proven themselves to be exceptional RPers both ingame and on the forums.
Quote:By chopper
Sorry caylith but then the rules need to be changed.
All those things should be written in the rules, not on ID's themselves.
I can't really scan the Phantom and read his ID if he's shooting on me, can I?
Terrorist ID as well, it says in the rules that you can't attack traders with it w/o asking for tax.
Why is it then possible?
I would and i will report any Terrorist ID holder that attacks my Trader without asking for tax.
Why? Because it is written in the rules that it is against the rules.
Now, yes, you told us differently, but that didn't change the rules.
There were quite a few events where admins disagreed on interpreting the rules.
One of those was starting cruise to catch on an enemy for example.
So, my point is, your response isn't official, it can't be, at least regarding the Terrorist ID.
Because the rules are quite opposed to your response.
I will respect what is written in the rules.
Now, this is not flaming or anything, it's just a discussion.
So don't flame me for flaming, flame me for discussing.
I don't like this at all. Because, most people that are asking about the rules are flamed for not reading them.
And when they do read them, it seems that it might be worthless, because there are some rules that are above the regular rules.
How can anyone know if Terrorist (Mon'star, Doom) can kill them, or not?
Where is it written?
It is still a rule violation, because it says in the rules that it is against the rules!
Now, yes, i agree that admins probably won't punish a Terrorist ID'ed player who killed a Trader w/o taxing.
But it is still a valid rule violation report, that's my point.
And until rules are changed, it will stay like that.
So, i would really like to discuss this, because it concerns every player on this server.
Rules are obviously not clear on this one.
I would like to know opinions of more admins on this subject. Are rules correct, or caylith is correct?
And if caylith is correct, i would like to ask for an addition in the rules that would explain these things.
If the rule is written on the Phantom ID, i have no ways of reading it, before i meet a Phantom.
And then i don't know what to do, because while i'm reading his ID, i'm most probably being shot at.
And when i do read it, i will only read that they can't ask for tax, i can't read that they are allowed to shoot traders!
Maybe that means that they should just ignore traders, right? It isn't clear, really.
Same for Terrorist ID, it says clearly in the rules that they have to ask for tax first.
They can't kill a trader w/o asking for tax.
Quote:6.19 Pirates and terrorists have a right to deal as much damage as they see fit before or after demanding money from a trader ship, but killing trader ship before demanding money is not allowed.
I would like the rules to be updated, if Terrorist ID owners can attack Traders without asking for tax.
I would like Phantoms added to the rules as well, so confusion is avoided.
Edit :
Keepers should be added as well, because, as i'v heard, they are allowed to attack anyone without a word said.
Only to avoid to many violation reports.
Thank you.
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - mjolnir - 02-04-2008
yes.... just add it into the rules
It makes almost no sense for terrorists and Phantoms to ask for tax.
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - StarButt - 02-04-2008
It would actually be nicer if all players were equal, without "some being even more equal than others" as G. Orwell would put it...
That way, all these "shady unclear and controversial" rules wouldn't even need clarifying.
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - pchwang - 02-04-2008
I agree with chopper.
I makes no sense for Terrorists to ask for credits at all. More sense for them to blow things up.
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - globalplayer-svk - 02-04-2008
so my opinion
6.18 : Say that can attack traders that do NOT pay for passage -asking for tax
6.19 : say the same except the last words.
caylith type what she type. and i think that is typed correct.
because here is little difference between terrorist ID and xeno-terrorist ID.
pure terrorist ID have only few people as i know. but xeno-terrorist id you can buy on base. So i think rule 6.18 and most of 6.19 say about xeno-terrorist ID, only the last words from 6.19 say about pure terrorist ID.
and caylith posted about phantom ID which is alowed act as with terrorist ID, and about xeno terrorist ID and BD ID who must ask for tax.
for me is that clear all.
terrorist ID,phantom ID - you can act as terrorist without word (only admin can give it to you)
all other terrorist ID that you can free buy (xeno,gaian) - you need to ask for something.
just my opinion
(sorry for my bad english)
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - Etaphreven - 02-04-2008
' Wrote:I agree with chopper.
I makes no sense for Terrorists to ask for credits at all. More sense for them to blow things up.
Yeah. Terrorists just wanna launch a bazooka at ya. They don't need your money. The need you to be burried with your effin credits.
I agree, chopper.
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - me_b_kevin - 02-04-2008
i have asked about this before. if you read the Terrorist ID it says that the terrorist aren't allowed to ask for taxes. though the rules on the forums say they can't kill without asking for tax.
the ruling i got back then is that the forum rules need to be updated. and phantoms and terrorist kill whomever they please....the only rule i know of is that they cannot kill a player level 29 or below.
and yes, i see the problem with trying to scan someone who's shooting at you...though seeing as there are only 3 with terrorist ID's, the phantoms are clearly marked as are the keepers, it shouldn't be too difficult to spot them before the shooting occurs. as for new players it falls into RP that a new pilot coming across an unknown ship wouldn't know what they are.....as far as i know though the owners of said ID's are hostile to most everyone and the rule of thumb is that when a hostile pops onto your scanner....caution should be excercised. Especially when you see maniacal laughter in system chat :D
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - chopper - 02-04-2008
Yes, but globalp, you are forgetting something. Xenos aren't the only terrorists.
Gaians are terrorists for example. And they would never take a tax from a trader, because ecosystems are more important to them.
If someone is working for Planetform, even if he has a Trader ID, he would be blown up by a Gaian eco-terrorist.
I remember one named Clover (Jinx?) in front of Harris-Mcduff.
He RP-ed so good that i was amazed. I simply stopped trading that bug-route after that.
So, even if it is about generic Terrorist ID, it should be mentioned in the rules.
So people can make the difference.
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - BULLDOGNK - 02-04-2008
Chopper
Just a few quick questions so i can understand.
What is the reason that you are asking for this change?
How did you come to this sort of conclusion that the rule needs changing?
Now i am not a phantom but i am a Keeper, Have you been attacked by a Phantom or a keeper?
Just so i can get my head around why you want the rule changed so quickly.
Cheers
About the rules, connected to Terrorists and Phantoms. - chopper - 02-04-2008
All is explained in the first post.
Rules are opposed to what caylith said.
That means either rules should be changed, or caylith needs enlightenment (i doubt in this one).
People should know what to expect.
Because, if they are attacked by Mon'Star (just an example, don't flame me) without taxing, and they have a Trader ID, they can easily report him.
Why? Because rules say Terrorist ID can't attack Trader w/o asking for tax.
And in all that mess, while being attacked, they most probably won't read his ID, believe me.
So, rules need to be clear in the Rules section, not on ID's themselves.
Simple.