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RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Hone - 06-09-2011
So, based on the same discussion in that other thread, earlier I was in dublin, a merc flew up to me and said he was going to collect a bounty. I immediatly docked on arranmore before he could shoot me, and was about to switch into a fighter, when I stopped, and thought:
"Hey, mayby that would be breaking the rules, like we talked about in that other thread, and I would get sanctioned like last time"
So, would it have been?
However, while I was thinking, the molly npcs killed the merc outside, so, did that mean he should count as dead? After all, if the player interaction was still somehow going on when I was docked, preventing me from switching, - and according to the admins it was because i got sanctioned for switching remember - then he was still in the player interaction when he died.
I think this added annoying complication simply highlights the need to do awa with it, and just focus on the half shield rule - if you have half shield or less and dock, you died, if you never go below half shield (and dont attak the other guy), its as if it never happened.
P.S. to any admins reading: this event is NOT the one I filed the sanction on, even if it may look simillar.
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - SMGSterlin - 06-09-2011
No, NPC's killed him, not you or another player.
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Hone - 06-09-2011
right, but if npcs kill you in a pvp fight it still counts as a pvp death.
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Backo - 06-09-2011
To sanction you right now, he needs 3 screens.
1. You fighting - timestamped
2. You docking - timestamped
3. You undocking and reengaging - timestamped
I think you didn't break the rules since you didn't have fought at all, not sure if it's that or the lack of enough evidence.
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Cat - 06-09-2011
It all depends. Let's take a look at your situation. There're 2 possible options (depending on whether your actions would be considered fleeing). However, the following is just my point of view on that matter.
1) Let's assume that your docking counts as fleeing. Then the interaction is over, and the merc died to NPC, thus he didn't die in PvP.
2) Now let's assume your docking doesn't count as fleeing. In this case you simply finished the interaction by docking (taking another ship and getting back should count as new interaction, if you ask me). Thus, the merc didn't die in PvP either, since it never started.
In case one, you'd have to leave the system, while the merc wouldn't. In case two nobody would have to leave the system.
However, the question whether your actions are considered fleeing or not still stands.
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Hone - 06-09-2011
however for number 2, I got sanctioned for doing what you said should be allowed in - switching ships when no shots had been fired.
As I showed in the other thread.
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Tigger - 06-09-2011
Interesting question. I've had a similar situation myself last week. I was in the Omegas working in a loose association with another merc to gain experience. I had the target engaged and dropped their shields below the 50% mark at least twice. The target managed to evade due to a group of NPC's having CD'd my ship. This allowed just enough lead time for the target to make a break for it.
My partner was searching for the target elsewhere in the system. Unfortunately I became entangled with an NPC gunboat and lost sight of the target being chased. At roughly the same time, my partner spotted the target and continued chase. He chased the target to a base where he saw the target docked and grabbed a screen cap.
Would this count as a single engagement because the two on one side were working together or two separate engagements, with the second one not being enough for a PvP kill?
We managed a good discussion with the target in private comms and came to an agreement that it was a pvp kill, but later the other merc and I decided not to pursue it and wait for another occasion when we could be assured of having a righteous kill.
Sometimes I read the rules and they are black and white, other times they show shades of murky gray. I always try to ensure I'm following the rules correctly, but even more so now that my merc character is getting more play as I develop her.
Thanks,
-Tig
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Cavaliere - 06-09-2011
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RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - Daedric - 06-09-2011
Why a new thread for the same discussion?
If he said he was collecting and then started shooting you, you are engaged. If he saw your green docking message and you switch characters and come back out, there is a chance you will be sanctioned. If he took screens.
If you managed to loose him and dock while he was out of range, thus he didn't get your green docking message; you are free to switch and go fight him.
Your sanction was before the rules were modified, they were more restrictive then. If you went more than 10k away from the other player or docked at all you were dead.
You could always ask the other player if you can come back or return to the system. I'll tell you right now, on my Reaver, I'm not going to deny you coming back because I want to kill you for the cash. Making you dock doesn't get me paid. I also always let miners come back too, if they didn't complain ooRP I don't touch them again that day. If they did complain ooRP, I give them a few hours then go collect on them again.
RE http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=101031 - SMGSterlin - 06-09-2011
' Wrote:right, but if npcs kill you in a pvp fight it still counts as a pvp death.There was no PvP fight at that point, you docked, this counts a PvP death, thus you have to leave the system or log off.
The NPC's killing him have nothing to do with anything at all in this case.