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Say NO to turret steering ! - Kopesh - 09-19-2011
Okay first of all I would like to start my post by praising the admins for creating this wonderfull mod,and ofcourse Microsoft Games for creating Freelancer.You are the best guys:)
I have been playing Freeelancer multiplayer for almost 4 years now.I have played one year on voidserver,where I learned the basics of pvp,then went to HHC for 2 years where I consolidated my pvp skills,and now I came here,almost one year ago,to try out some RPing.Heck I've always wanted to RP as a BAF or any other millitary faction:)
Well,now to get to the core thing.I would like to say that I am not even close to the best pvpers on freelancer,kinda average guy.I always know how to lose or win a battle,and very few times I flammed about it.
One day I met a guy who was flying a sabre.We did the RP thing,then we went in battle.I had 3 more BAF guys with me,and that guy got 2-3 more KNF guys to support him.So,I engaged him,and I was confident I would win,but I couldn't.That guy was hitting me like crazy,no matter how hard I tried.And I was in an eagle,so I could actually outturn him.To my disgust,I saw that he was shooting backwards with the rear turret.Yes,he was flyng like a npc in one direction,and shooting backwards.
After I got killed,the other 3 guys from BAF were killed too by this thing.I talked to that guy and he told me about turret steering.I did some research,found out what it does,tested it abit.Guess what?I didn't like it!
Now,we did some pvps with turret on and off,and when he was with turret off,he was a big sitting duck for me,absolutely no prob for me to take him out without using any nanos.However,when he turned turret on,I had no chance than to get in his back,which was almostg impossible,and shoot him,while his rear turret was shooting me.
Here are 2 videos which will prove what I say:
Turret off
In this video I had no problem at taking him out.
Turret on
In this video,I used turret too,but was so hard to use I had more chances without it.He was using it too.
So,as you can see,this turret steering will turn uber noobs into uberpwnzors who will have absolutely no problem at aiming,turning(this thing eliminates the need of engine kill,a VITAL thing in outturning and maneuvering).And yes,the art of aiming does exist.You need at least 2 years of playing FL in order to get a decent aim.
So,my suggestion?BAN this thing for fighters ,bombersand freighters,where the pvp is so much dinamic,and allow it for all other ships.I think gunships should get it,or shouldn't.I don't know,but since gunships are so slow,they should get it too.
Using this thing will COMPLETLY DESTROY THE PVP RULES SET 7 YEARS AGO!!Think of the beauty of pvp,how cool it is now,and how uncool it will be with this on!What is better?a pvp where skill matters,or a pvp where both sides use a "cheat",and where luck will decide who will win?because lets be honest,if u get the hang of this thing,nothing can stop you,except other player with turret steering.Basicaly,both sides zoom at extreme distances,maneuver with keyboard(this is against basic pvp rules,you maneuver with mouse,and strafe with keyboard,if you set the maneuver controls to the keyboard you will never be able to do the things you could do with the mouse cuz u wont have the same flexibility ) ,barely move your cursor and just hope you'll win.That aint skill,that is noobishm.
But what about caps?well,they were never designed to be flown by player,so maneuvrability is severly limited.You have to use turret steering in all cases,and you cant steer it in turret view,so turret steering will add more dinamic and beauty to battleship pvps.And it wont be that obvious,its not like battleships oiutturn eachother,you just shoot and 50% of ur shells will hit the target if u aim well.So I am for adding turret steering to capitals.
I am a hardcore freelancer player who pvped for almost 4 years.I liked,i like and will always like having a good pvp.If admins decide to implement this thing for fighters and bobmers and freighters,then all I can say is goodbye!The discovery mod wont have any value for me anymore,because it will be spoiled by this thing.And i wont be the only one who will be leaving,tons of ppl will leave the server because you decide to change the whole pvp by introducing a thing u thing makes pvp better,but in fact makes it alot worse!
So ,its your decision admins:keep the oldschool pvp for fighters and keep your players,or introduce a cheat for all players and lose your players.Your decision.You are the ones who can save Freelancer Discovery RP 24/7 Server.
Think about it!
Say NO to turret steering ! - Snak5 - 09-19-2011
I'd say, remove it for Snubcrafts. Leave it for others.
I think it would make easy coding, as Snubs are counted as Fighters, and Trades ships and Cap ships as Freighters on game engine.
Say NO to turret steering ! - n1kodemus - 09-19-2011
' Wrote:You need at least 2 years of playing FL in order to get a decent aim.
Wut.
1/10.
Say NO to turret steering ! - Montezuma/Kukulcan - 09-19-2011
So you're saying that it should be removed because you got beaten by a Sabre using only his turret? xD
And as you can see from the second vid, you're generally better off not using turret steering in snubs anyway, it actually puts you at a disadvantage. If someone masters the use of it in snubs, good for them, given that Fighters have very restricted firing arcs, it makes little to no difference.
Say NO to turret steering ! - Stefz - 09-19-2011
Where's the option "I don't care"? Since I don't even know what it is :$, I'd vote for that..
Say NO to turret steering ! - arvg - 09-19-2011
It is a new feature, it takes time to learn
That is
It takes time to learn for the person using it.
AND
It takes time for the person fighting against it.
If anything this feature should be used more by players in the time between now and .86 to learn, because come .86 everyone will be developing their own methods. I went out and bought a little joystick thingy specifically to use with turret steering. Others are remapping their keys...
remember, some people learn and adapt faster than others. Just because you haven't learned it yet, doesn't mean it should be scrapped... if that was the case, Cash would have tossed his guitar out the window after the first lesson, and then where would we be?
Say NO to turret steering ! - Lonely_Ghost - 09-19-2011
' Wrote:Where's the option "I don't care"? Since I don't even know what it is :$, I'd vote for that..
Then type No-No, its almost same:laugh:
Say NO to turret steering ! - Korny - 09-19-2011
lrn2lrn, young padawan.
Say NO to turret steering ! - jakub963 - 09-19-2011
Okay... for change... we are now complaining that snub fights are too easy and short.
It wasnt that long ago that there was pretty much the oposite going around.
Note that when somebody is zooming out to degree that he dont have to move his cursor, he cannot see what you are doing... you can pretty much just sit on his back and pound one barrage after another while your enemy bites his nails while his back-turret struggles to kill your shield.
You are the 2nd one that points out how bad turret steering and zoom is while proving so little...
Once again i have to say: Show me a video where people know what they are doing or find me somebody using turret steering to fight with me...
Say NO to turret steering ! - Hattoro Kenzu - 09-19-2011
Stop Q_Q Adapt . Com on ! The Human race is good at that.