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EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - Fletcher - 09-24-2011
It was bad enough I just learned that Sony have adopted this policy, bad enough EA are now doing this.
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/09/remember-...ue-them-either/
Kotaku Wrote:While Sony's new 'don't sue us' terms of service are terrible, let's not focus just on Sony. Other companies are now free to do the same thing.
Like Electronic Arts.
If you scroll down to the bottom of EA's most recent terms of service, which includes both accounts made for the publisher's online services (like Madden and FIFA's online play) and its new Origin PC platform, you'll see sentences like this:
Quote: By accepting these terms, you and EA expressly waive the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action.
Quote: YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BY THIS PROVISION, YOU AND EA ARE FOREGOING THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL.
Quote:YOU AND EA AGREE THAT EACH MAY BRING CLAIMS AGAINST THE OTHER ONLY IN YOUR OR ITS INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, AND NOT AS A PLAINTIFF OR CLASS MEMBER IN ANY PURPORTED CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING.
That's EA's caps, mind you, not mine. It means that nearly all kinds of court action possible against EA, from class action suits to individuals suing the company in a court of law, are now off the table for most customers. Only claims involving intellectual property, theft and piracy can be taken to court, and in case you haven't noticed, they'd mostly involve EA taking other people to court, not the other way around.
These new terms have been drafted for exactly the same reason as Sony's (and many other non-gaming companies in recent times): because unlike courts, whose outcomes are decided by juries (who can by sympathetic towards consumers battling multinational corporations), decisions made via private arbitration often find in favour of businesses, and even when siding with consumers offer relatively small payouts. You can't appeal the findings of a private arbitration hearing, nor is there an independent or public means of reviewing an arbitrator's decisions. They are also designed to be conducted privately, out of the public eye.
Basically, just like Sony's, it's a move designed to take a lot of your power as a consumer out of your hands, and make it easier for big businesses like EA to simply shrug off unhappy customers. It also prevents large groups of customers banding together to take a unified stand against the company.
Note that the 'no sue' stuff only applies to you as a user of EA's services. It has absolutely no power to stop lawsuits like that filed by Activision against EA over the 'defection' of the creators of Call of Duty, or the large class action suit brought against the publisher over its NCAA football games.
You can opt out of EA's ToS by sending the company a letter, the catch being it must be received within 30 days of a new terms of service being issued. As the last one was updated on August 25, unless you want to courier the thing, you're going to miss out on this round.
Like Sony's terms of service, EA's don't apply to everyone; in this case, if you live in 'Quebec, Russia, Switzerland and the Member States of the European Union', you're exempt. We're checking with EA to see if that includes Australia and New Zealand as well.
It'll be interesting to see how many companies follow this move. Microsoft's latest terms of service, dated July, make no mention of forced arbitration, but Blizzard's (dated June) come awfully close.
As with Sony, I'd urge everyone not already exempt to send in a letter opting out of these terms of service. Removing your right to fight back in the courts is a dangerous precedent for these companies to set, and the more people who send in letters, the clearer a message it will send that this isn't something that can be taken away so easily.
Everyone in who is NOT in the following regions, send letters to EA NOW:
Quote:News
Remember, Electronic Arts Won't Let You Sue Them, Either
By Luke Plunkett on September 24, 2011 at 7:00 AM
While Sony's new 'don't sue us' terms of service are terrible, let's not focus just on Sony. Other companies are now free to do the same thing.
Like Electronic Arts.
If you scroll down to the bottom of EA's most recent terms of service, which includes both accounts made for the publisher's online services (like Madden and FIFA's online play) and its new Origin PC platform, you'll see sentences like this:
By accepting these terms, you and EA expressly waive the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BY THIS PROVISION, YOU AND EA ARE FOREGOING THE RIGHT TO SUE IN COURT AND HAVE A JURY TRIAL.
YOU AND EA AGREE THAT EACH MAY BRING CLAIMS AGAINST THE OTHER ONLY IN YOUR OR ITS INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, AND NOT AS A PLAINTIFF OR CLASS MEMBER IN ANY PURPORTED CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING.
That's EA's caps, mind you, not mine. It means that nearly all kinds of court action possible against EA, from class action suits to individuals suing the company in a court of law, are now off the table for most customers. Only claims involving intellectual property, theft and piracy can be taken to court, and in case you haven't noticed, they'd mostly involve EA taking other people to court, not the other way around.
These new terms have been drafted for exactly the same reason as Sony's (and many other non-gaming companies in recent times): because unlike courts, whose outcomes are decided by juries (who can by sympathetic towards consumers battling multinational corporations), decisions made via private arbitration often find in favour of businesses, and even when siding with consumers offer relatively small payouts. You can't appeal the findings of a private arbitration hearing, nor is there an independent or public means of reviewing an arbitrator's decisions. They are also designed to be conducted privately, out of the public eye.
Basically, just like Sony's, it's a move designed to take a lot of your power as a consumer out of your hands, and make it easier for big businesses like EA to simply shrug off unhappy customers. It also prevents large groups of customers banding together to take a unified stand against the company.
Note that the 'no sue' stuff only applies to you as a user of EA's services. It has absolutely no power to stop lawsuits like that filed by Activision against EA over the 'defection' of the creators of Call of Duty, or the large class action suit brought against the publisher over its NCAA football games.
You can opt out of EA's ToS by sending the company a letter, the catch being it must be received within 30 days of a new terms of service being issued. As the last one was updated on August 25, unless you want to courier the thing, you're going to miss out on this round.
Like Sony's terms of service, EA's don't apply to everyone; in this case, if you live in 'Quebec, Russia, Switzerland and the Member States of the European Union', you're exempt. We're checking with EA to see if that includes Australia and New Zealand as well.
America, you're screwed.
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - Tenacity - 09-24-2011
All this means is that wronged customers will stop resorting to lawsuits and start resorting to corporate assassinations. What's preferrential to you, EA? Would you rather lose a few million when you try to rip someone off or destroy their property, or would you rather lose your CEO and half of your other management staff to the negotiating end of a .50 cal? =P
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - Enoch - 09-24-2011
I'm pretty sure this "click if you agree" thing has no juridical value whatsoever, at least in my country. So what, you tick a box and you are forced to do whatever the document says ? lol.
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - jammi - 09-24-2011
' Wrote:I'm pretty sure this "click if you agree" thing has no juridical value whatsoever, at least in my country. So what, you tick a box and you are forced to do whatever the document says ? lol.That's the entire concept of a 'contract' summed up in one... ;)
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - Syrus - 09-24-2011
And how does that work? Just saying "you may not sue us, no matter what we do" works in America?
What a flawed system. What a flawed system...Looks like big corporations may always do what they like, no matter what the customer thinks.
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - Treewyrm - 09-24-2011
Way to go, America, bend down to your corporate masters.
Reminds me a little Southpark serie about Apple/iPad.
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - Enoch - 09-24-2011
' Wrote:That's the entire concept of a 'contract' summed up in one... ;)Contracts can be broken, especially if they have no juridical value.
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - jammi - 09-24-2011
' Wrote:Contracts can be broken, especially if they have no juridical value.If contracts are broken, it leaves you open to legal action. If you personally agree to a contract without coercion, it has legal weight.
I don't agree with any of this that they're doing. It's a corruption of the consumer laws designed to protect customers. That said, in a culture where you just mindlessly click yes to everything that's put in front of you, society is just asking for this sort of dick move to happen.
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - r3vange - 09-24-2011
Why don't they replace the 5 pages of bs with a single line
"You are selling your soul"
[x] I understand and agree
EA Adopts "Can't Sue Us." Terms of Service - Zahas - 09-24-2011
Goodbye BF3. Hello MW3.