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ZOI issues - Pavel - 03-16-2013
Is O-7 rule-wise considered as system bordering Bretonia, and O-3 as a system bordering Rheinland? In other words, can LWB, Unioners and Bundschuh engage in O-3, and Mollys/Gaians in O-7?
Also, rogues already can engage not only in Shikoku, but even in New Tokyo, should I understand they can pirate in Hamburg as well? If yes, what about Xenos, they have base in Hudson, can they raid Hamburg?
RE: ZOI issues - JayDee Kasane - 03-16-2013
Dont know why would Rogues can engage people in Kusari or Rheinland system. Maybe if their target ran to it so they follow, but Im not sure. Id not go there myself thats I can say for sure. I consider its ooRP and ID rule breaking.
Omega 7 is actually not a system that bordering Bretonia. O3 is a bordering system, and O7 is Rheinland border. I heard that Rheinland cant move its fleet to O3 and BAF move theirs to O7 without asking their neightbours for it. maybe things different now however. Id recommend stick rheinland pirates to O7 and Bretonia pirates to O3 to prevent problems. Most people that go Bretonia/Rheniland or otherwise fly via O3 and O7, so you will be able to catch target without having need to enter O3 or O7 from each otehr. just make sure you can kill target before it can reach JG
RE: ZOI issues - Narcotic - 03-16-2013
(03-16-2013, 01:05 PM)Pavel Wrote: Is O-7 rule-wise considered as system bordering Bretonia, and O-3 as a system bordering Rheinland?
No. Regarding the server rules. O3 and O7 aren't considered house space, thus not. O3/O7 is bordering Bretonia/Rheinland.
Quote:In other words, can LWB, Unioners and Bundschuh engage in O-3, and Mollys/Gaians in O-7?
I guess they can't. (Unless they provocate a fight of course.)
Quote:Also, rogues already can engage not only in Shikoku, but even in New Tokyo, should I understand they can pirate in Hamburg as well?
No, they can't pirate in Hamburg.
Quote:If yes, what about Xenos, they have base in Hudson, can they raid Hamburg?
Yes, apparently, since it's one system away from their next base.
RE: ZOI issues - Ever Light - 03-16-2013
JayDee wrote:
Quote:Maybe if their target ran to it so they follow, but Im not sure. [...] I consider its ooRP and ID rule breaking.
I think so too. The teritorial limitaion in the IDs is intended to outbalance the additional rights, they are given.
For example Compaire:
Quote:Unioners ID
Pilot carrying this ID is a member of the Unioners who:
May engage in piracy.
Can engage pirates, terrorists and lawfuls within Rheinland, the Independent Systems bordering Rheinland and Texas.
Cannot ally with any military, police, or corporate players.
Cannot use any transport with more than 4,300 cargo.
Allowed ships: Fighters, Bombers, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats, Rheinland Pirate Cruiser.
To:
Quote:Pirate ID
You are a Pirate! who:
Can demand cargo and credits from lawful and unlawful ships, and attack them if they do not comply.
Cannot use any transports with more than 3,600 cargo.
Allowed ships: Fighters, Bombers, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats.
(both quotations are taken from the Discovery Wiki)
The overview also says for Unioners to have as primary territory Rheinland, while for the generic pirate a territorial limitation is missing. So you either choose more territorial freedom or for example the opportunity to fly a Rheinland Pirate Cruiser.
And that for I can't imagine this rule to be changed or wiped out. It's too important for balancing.
As for wchich systhem is bordering wchich house and wich army may fly to wchich point in there, I think you are right. (So no need to quote or repeat
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RE: ZOI issues - Pavel - 03-27-2013
bumping this thread for admins, I'd like to get some answer in green on my initial questions from the first post
RE: ZOI issues - kikatsu - 03-28-2013
I would think that the Unioners and Mollys would be able to engage targets in their closest Omega border system, their ID allows it I believe.
Rogues ZOI extended up to New Tokyo due to the growth of the organization and the crippling of the quasi-legals in Kusari, namely the Hogosha and the Farmer's Alliance who were the primary defense against outside influence. Rogue NPCs have spawned south of New Tokyo since vanilla as well, so they have an interest in the area. That and a large and active pirate faction operating in the area would cause some increases in activity, though it is rarely visited now by the LR it seems.
The Gallic Brigands have also extended down into Kyushu if I remember right.
RE: ZOI issues - jammi - 03-28-2013
Bordering systems would be one system in - so for Bretonia, Omega 3 - for Rheinland, Omega 7. Technically that means Omega 5 49 is a bordering system for Bretonian IDs, for example. As funny as it sounds, ditto for Sigma 17 and Rheinland (Munich).
So no, LWB and Bundschuh couldn't attack people in Omega 3, Gaians and Mollys couldn't attack in Omega 7. Rogues can't operate in Hamburg either - the only reason they and the Brigands are allowed as far into Kusari (New Tokyo) as they are, is because of a public admin announcement that updated their privileges as a part of an in-game story advancement.
RE: ZOI issues - Lonely Werewolf - 03-28-2013
(03-27-2013, 11:41 PM)Pavel Wrote: bumping this thread for admins, I'd like to get some answer in green on my initial questions from the first postI'm curious as to why your so keen for an admin to reply here. Your been given the answers to your questions already from a few people, 2 of whom are Mods and are experienced. Players other than admins do know the rules you you know, although yet again I disagree with Narc so there goes. Well just incase you wanted further confirmation, here's my thoughts.
(03-16-2013, 01:05 PM)Pavel Wrote: Is O-7 rule-wise considered as system bordering Bretonia, and O-3 as a system bordering Rheinland? In other words, can LWB, Unioners and Bundschuh engage in O-3, and Mollys/Gaians in O-7?Answer is no. A bordering system is a system which is 1 jump away. O-7 is 2 jumps from Bretonia (Cambridge) and O-3 is 2 jumps away from Rheinland (Stuttgart). If your not 100% sure of which systems constitute as house systems they are listed in the second last post here.
(03-16-2013, 01:05 PM)Pavel Wrote: Also, rogues already can engage not only in Shikoku, but even in New Tokyo, should I understand they can pirate in Hamburg as well? If yes, what about Xenos, they have base in Hudson, can they raid Hamburg?Rogues can of now engage in Shikoku and New Tokyo yes, details of that can be found here. Both Rogues and Xenos do have a base in Hudson, however I'd argue that they CAN'T engage in Hamburg. The reason for that is both their IDs have the following line:
Quote:Can engage pirates, terrorists and lawfuls within Liberty and the Independent systems bordering Liberty.If they had the following line, such as the Lane Hackers do then I think they could, however they don't, they are restricted to Liberty's bordering worlds:
Quote:Can engage pirates, terrorists and lawfuls within Liberty and the Independent Systems bordering Liberty. Or one system beyond a system containing a Hacker base.
fyi Rogue ID, Xenos ID and LH ID
I hope that helps
EDIT: Seems I was too slow and Jammi got in there
RE: ZOI issues - dodike - 03-28-2013
What do ZOI restrictions protect anyway?
RE: ZOI issues - aerelm - 03-28-2013
(03-16-2013, 01:27 PM)JayDee Wrote: Dont know why would Rogues can engage people in Kusari or Rheinland system.
They can pirate in Kusari because of this, but not in Rheinland.