Generic pirate vs faction pirate

[Baltar]

Wanna bet? That example is even mentioned in the server rules by name, or really close anyway. Not hard to find sanctions for such. OC alliance gear + Sair alliance gear on same ship = no, even if you have a generic ID. Actually, I know you saw it because it was a person named Black_Pearl who was generic pirate ID with sair and OC stuff and you posted in the thread to keep it clear that it wasn't your Black.Pearl. Ship and gear say a lot. ID says more, but you have to take the whole package in.

My point was that the equipment and ship don't make the Pirate ID part of that faction. I was using the Corsair weapons as an example ... take a look at the forest once in a while.

Same situation here ... Pirate ID + Liberty Rogue GB + 3 Order Turrets + 3 Zoner Turrets ... what does that make me? Am I a Liberty Rogue? Am I a member of the Order? Or am I a Zoner?

Tic toc ... time's up ... I'm a Pirate. Why ... because I have a Pirate ID.

Here's the rule you are referring to. ID, IFF, ship, equipment must match "as closely as possible." Doesn't say anything about a Pirate ID with Corsair weapon and Rogue ship. It "specifically" mentions a Corsair (i.e. someone with a Corsair ID) flying Outcast equipment/ship.

6.2 Out of Roleplay (OORP):
In-game tag seen before the name must match the ID as closely as possible. It is not allowed to have the tag not match ID category. For example, it is prohibited to have 'Police' tag and 'Pirate' ID.

Equipment used must match tag and ID as closely as possible. For example, it is not allowed for Corsairs to use Outcast ships and guns.

Here is another very important rule. This one says you have to role play based on the ID ... not the IFF ... not the ship ... not the equipment. The equipment/ship/IFF limitation is discussed in 6.2 above. Rule 6.6 here is talking about a Corsair ID'd character firing on a Pirate ID'd character because he has a Rogue ship. You really should go by the ID. Notice what it says about non-RP attacks ... its "considered PVP abuse." So just because YOUR Blood Dragon ID'd character (or whatever) doesn't like what my Pirate ID'd character flies ... doesn't give you the right to attack me. Kinda like the Outcast Destroyer that attacked Black Pearl because I have Order and Zoner guns on my Rogue GB. And he did this at Yanagi.

6.6 PvP combat is allowed only on roleplay basis. The pilot who is attacking must scan for an ID prior to the attack. Relying on general reputation status (red/neutral/green) without scanning for the ID is not allowed.

Non-RP attacks are considered PvP abuse and are sanctioned accordingly.

And here's a beautiful rule to keep in mind. Please note that generic ID's "indicate characters that did not join an NPC faction." While they maintain reputations with these factions ... they are not part of these factions. So me in a Rogue GB ... does not make me a Rogue ... and it does NOT make me enemies of whoever Rogues are enemies with. It just means that I'm friendly enough (neutral at worst case) to buy their ship. Also notice that this rule states "if any tag is available." That means I can be a Pirate ID'd character with NO IFF. So all you rule lawyers that have given me trash talk in-game for being a pirate with no IFF (tag in front of my name) ... you can cease and desist cause you're breaking a rule yourself by lecturing me about it. One other thing ... generics are not allowed in cruisers or battleships ... that means we CAN pirate in gunboats (yet another one for you rule lawyers.)

6.9 Generic IDs (Military ID, Freelancer ID, Pirate ID, Trader ID, Smuggler ID) indicate characters that did not join an NPC faction, but still maintain appropriate reputation with those factions, and appropriate faction tag, if any tag is available.

All rules that apply to ID types apply to generic IDs as well. Trader and Smuggler IDs are considered Trader IDs. All generic ID owners are not allowed to use cruisers and battleships.

[jpo]

yeah, and if as an indy pirate killing BHG in a corsairs ship with OC weaps you think thats ooc youre out of your mind.

The restriction that gets put on indies is nothing bigger than a gunship, thats a HUGE restiction. Thats balance. If someone has a true pirate rep they can buy those things w/o restriction, no problems. How the hell is it ooc to use tizonas on an oc ship if youre not an oc? you dont have to follow their rules, but they love you because you kill so many good guys. same with the corsairs. They wrent not going to sell you a ship that they know will kill many of their enemies.

[sovereign]

You got me. Rules don't mention that. But still, how do you get an LR GB without being chummy with the LR? And what possesses the Corsairs to sell such a person their guns? If you RP it nicely, its good. Then again that's true for any loadout.

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[Baltar]

You got me. Rules don't mention that. But still, how do you get an LR GB without being chummy with the LR? And what possesses the Corsairs to sell such a person their guns? If you RP it nicely, its good. Then again that's true for any loadout.

Read my post again ... take your time ... I specifically said ...

It just means that I'm friendly enough (neutral at worst case) to buy their ship.

... you can be friendly to buy the ship without being one of them. Otherwise all those Trader ID'd vessels flying the Beetle are Kusari and would be questioned by Bretonian Armed Forces for even being in Bretonia. Please tell me you understand this.

A Trader ID'd character flying a Beetle does not make them Kusari ... does it?

[sovereign]

Otherwise all those Trader ID'd vessels flying the Beetle are Kusari and would be questioned by Bretonian Armed Forces for even being in Bretonia. Please tell me you understand this.

They do, actually. You can get through fairly easily, but they still stop you.


Upon re-reading it, yah, you did mention it. Whoops. But still... its a bit... unusual to be friends with both OC and sairs. You'd have to be very careful with it. Before anyone says "zoners" I'd like to point out that Zoners are unfriendly with both.

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[jpo]

The way I played out any ships that I had that were yellow on the master ship list was:
I made a character called "bribe" and transfered them an imaginary bribe, then deleted the character. I put that RP in the forums along with a story illustrating just how shady a non 'everybody is full green' deal is involving gunboats. The bigger the item the more nonstandard the event should be IMHO.

And I would say its never ok to cross the master ship list, no matter how good the RP is (and man some of it goes very deep and is top notch). Its OK to cross factions weapons and machinery IF you arent in one of the factions.

Now as far as that is concerned, I would also expect to be harassed by any actual players in a faction if I was using enemy weaponry in their territory, but usually only if its the whole loadout. I dont expect the outcasts to flip over one del cid, but they might get pissed if you have 6 skyblasts and a skyblast turret on a sabre.

[Baltar]

They do, actually. You can get through fairly easily, but they still stop you.
Upon re-reading it, yah, you did mention it. Whoops. But still... its a bit... unusual to be friends with both OC and sairs. You'd have to be very careful with it. Before anyone says "zoners" I'd like to point out that Zoners are unfriendly with both.

Liberty stops nearly every trade vessel regardless of ship type, IFF or ID ... so "being stopped" means nothing. If you are considered Kusari you'd be turned back the way you came or destroyed. So since they let you continue along your path and just "stopped and scanned" ... that tells me you are not being treated like Kusari and thus are not considered Kusari.

Not really unusual to be friendly with both Outcasts and Corsairs ... ever heard of Junkers? Pirate ID is sold on both Malta and Crete (as well as other unlawful primary bases). Pirates are tolerated by all unlawfuls ... notice I said "tolerated" ... that's because their not really friends. At best a Pirate ID is neutral. And you can still dock on an "unfriendly" base by the way. You just cannot dock on a "hostile" base. You can be "pink" with a faction and still dock and buy stuff ... ask any trader/smuggler.

Kinda strange for a Trader ID'd character to be moving commodities between Malta and Manhattan don'tcha think? How on Earth (ahem ... I mean "in Sirius") can a Trader be friendly with BOTH Liberty and Outcasts? And how can the same Trader trade with both Outcasts and Corsairs? Um ... how can a "lawful" Trader ID dock at any unlawful base? These are some questions that should be taken into same consideration as the questions you ask regarding the Pirate ID.

Believe it or not, I've actually seen two Container Transports with Trader ID's that had Tizona and Wyrm turrets mounted. Bit strange for a Trader isn't it? Kinda like a poor man's capship ... 12 turrets that can really pack a punch. My gunboat barely got out alive ... I had a thread of hull left and no bats/bots before destroying the second CT.

[chovynz]

@ Balthazzar: I think he was talking to me ... but now that I see the first 4 letters of your name is the same as the first 4 letters of mine ... I can see how Hyung has made it a bit confusing.

Baltar ... Balthazzar

:unsure::shok:I'm sorry about that. I totally didnt realise you were two different people in this thread., until just now. My apologies.
I was talking to Balthazzar as the original thread creator. I have Avatars and Sigs turned off, and I think my mind read Balt... as the same person.
They both have Balt and an A and end in R

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