Question regarding (mainly) police and (not so mainly) navies and intels..

[Fluffyball]

Question is pretty easy here.

Since the ID allows to claim the levy fines, it is allowed for house police/intel/navy to extort money? Not speaking about 10 million, but about small amounts, up to 1M-1.5M?

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[Leppy]

Depends very heavily on the RP involved. The short and easy answer is no. To levy the fine, there must have been a house law broken with said fine being the appropriate punishment. Specific instances such as the lpi are more of a grey area, but you cannot cross the line into piracy at any time.

[Highland Laddie]

I dunno about outright pirating extortion against a lawful or freelancer the same way a pirate might, but coming across a smuggler or an unlawful...nothing wrong with looking for some money to look the other way. That's how dirty cops do it, right?

[Fluffyball]

That's what I know. I've asked some Angels around and they replied that it is acceptable within RP (example with broken light here), but line should not be crossed too much.

I think one's should not cross border of 500k credits for that of course. If we were very strict to the RP, ID does not allow to take bribes for example, while a lot of Police officers are very keen to have *cough cough* additional income *cough cough*.

Of course there's always something like leading someone into insulting officer. Pretty easy thing, but rather low.

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[Leppy]

That's what I know. I've asked some Angels around and they replied that it is acceptable within RP (example with broken light here), but line should not be crossed too much.

I think one's should not cross border of 500k credits for that of course. If we were very strict to the RP, ID does not allow to take bribes for example, while a lot of Police officers are very keen to have *cough cough* additional income *cough cough*.

Of course there's always something like leading someone into insulting officer. Pretty easy thing, but rather low.

I don't remember where the green text appeared, but I remember it being said "asking for money to let a smuggler go is piracy but having a smuggler offering you money to let him go is accepting a bribe"

[jammi]

I think that was in relation to some Reavers that asked a target to pay them off. In general terms for any character, requesting/demanding a bribe is piracy while accepting an offer the other party instigates is fine.

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[Lord Caedus]

As a person that does a fair amount of flying on [LN] ships, there's always ways to get money out of lawbreakers. Not extorted, of course, we never demand money in exchange for letting someone off the hook, but if someone decides to make a hassle of themselves, we try to be a bit more severe with a fine.

[Thyrzul]

The difference between piracy and levying fines was clarified quite clearly around when the indy GMG vs other mining faction drama happened in Sigmas some time ago. If you have a law in your legal codex to refer to in order to justify extortion, it's levying a fine, if you have no such thing, it's piracy. If you don't believe, do your research. End of story.

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[Jonas Valent]

Depends very heavily on the RP involved. The short and easy answer is no. To levy the fine, there must have been a house law broken with said fine being the appropriate punishment. Specific instances such as the lpi are more of a grey area, but you cannot cross the line into piracy at any time.

Short answer to your question is no.

However, because some LPI play corrupt cops then it can be acceptable when it is Rp'd out. There is a very thin line sometimes between a corrupt cop and a criminal. Players who RP such a character must be very careful not to cross that line. Any descent into outright piracy will lead to both InRP and ooRP consequences to that charecter/player.

Now we do harass pilots using a few different tactics. One of our favorites are "broken taillights" Though there is no specific law about such things several of the Liberty laws can be interepted to handle many situations. So even though we might just be outright harassing you our actions are still "legal" ish. Also any fines levied in such a situation are intentionally kept small to prevent any abuse.

So if you wanna be a corrupt cop join LPI otherwise you will need to be very careful with your RP.

[Sturmwind]

I say yes.

If the pilot being fined does not agree with the officers noting the lawbreaking, he can always complain iRP.