Speaking from personal experience with Eppy, I'd like to point out that the rationale behind Baconsoda's post is most likely factual and warranted - the moment Eppy senses his character might be placed into a situation he does not want it to be in, he abandons all pretenses at roleplay and wordlessly powers up cruise to make for the nearest fast dock point, trade lane, or jump gate.
There was an encounter he and I had a week or so back during which I and several other LR attempted to pirate his Interspace character in Bloodhounds - Eppy fired up his cruise engines the instant he caught sight of us, led us on a merry romp through the California system, throwing out the bare minimum of speech necessary, headed for San Diego Border Station, where he opened fire on us - wordlessly and without advance warning, of course - and then fast-docked with the depot after his shields had taken enough of a (Bloodhound-induced) hammering, silently again, totally disregarding all roleplay hooks or arguments we'd dangled in front of his nose up until that point (including my pointing out that his Luxury Liner is twice as large as the base he's attempting to moor it with!)
At any rate, afterwards, I contacted him OOC inquiring about why such an established community member sets such an impressively low roleplay standard and was informed that Eppy chose to abandon all player interaction because he, "has his pride", isn't going to "have his Liner pirated by a Bloodhound. Sorry, mate", and that we should "bring weapons next time". Gee, ain't that just swell. Oh, incidentally, he also informed me that he considers my opinion of his handling himself ingame irrelevant because he "doesn't know who I am, and doesn't care". Su-perb.
As such, I find it somewhat hypocritical of him to argue that the Phantoms exhibit inappropriate or insufficient roleplay here when, by all accounts, any such approach to ostensibly productive debate of his is, in actuality, a poorly-disguised attempt to bitch about his character being forced to make an exchange with others (whether of words, gunshots, or something else entirely), something that most members of this community likely view as the lifeblood of the server but that Eppy chooses to interpret as a violation of his "pride", whatever that is. What exactly are you proud of, Epyon? Leaving all roleplay behind the instant you might be forced to, shocking, I know, interact with another on their terms? Good God! Perhaps it's accusing another of poor or lacking roleplay, conversation, interaction prior to your being killed by said another, despite your A) being guilty of the exact same on a regular basis and B) explaining the exact same away as being irrelevant compared to your "pride" when the exact same criticism is applied to you?
' Wrote:There was an encounter he and I had a week or so back during which I and several other LR attempted to pirate his Interspace character in Bloodhounds - Eppy fired up his cruise engines the instant he caught sight of us, led us on a merry romp through the California system, throwing out the bare minimum of speech necessary, headed for San Diego Border Station, where he opened fire on us - wordlessly and without advance warning, of course - and then fast-docked with the depot after his shields had taken enough of a (Bloodhound-induced) hammering, silently again, totally disregarding all roleplay hooks or arguments we'd dangled in front of his nose up until that point (including my pointing out that his Luxury Liner is twice as large as the base he's attempting to moor it with!)
Since I have no evidence either way, I'm only going to comment on points both sides agree on. Note that I've heard Eppy's story in Skype.
This reduces me to the following:
1. A squad of Mk1 LFs attempted to rob a Liner.
2. The Liner ran.
3. The Rogue LFs pursued him to a Police base, and were in range to be destroyed by the Liner's guns. This would place them in dangerously close proximity to San Diego's base defenses, especially if those fighters were close enough to compare the size of the Liner and the border station. To say nothing of the swarms of police that one would expect by a police base (and had it not been for reported server load, the swarms that would've been there.)
4. Both sides bickered in PMs for a while.
You know what? You both made asses of yourselves, and that's only working with what you're both agreeing on. I'd bet that if someone actually had the whole story (as in, a third party that witnessed the whole debacle personally), you'd both look even worse.
' Wrote:Speaking from personal experience with Eppy, I'd like to point out that the rationale behind Baconsoda's post is most likely factual and warranted - the moment Eppy senses his character might be placed into a situation he does not want it to be in, he abandons all pretenses at roleplay and wordlessly powers up cruise to make for the nearest fast dock point, trade lane, or jump gate.
There was an encounter he and I had a week or so back during which I and several other LR attempted to pirate his Interspace character in Bloodhounds - Eppy fired up his cruise engines the instant he caught sight of us, led us on a merry romp through the California system, throwing out the bare minimum of speech necessary, headed for San Diego Border Station, where he opened fire on us - wordlessly and without advance warning, of course - and then fast-docked with the depot after his shields had taken enough of a (Bloodhound-induced) hammering, silently again, totally disregarding all roleplay hooks or arguments we'd dangled in front of his nose up until that point (including my pointing out that his Luxury Liner is twice as large as the base he's attempting to moor it with!)
At any rate, afterwards, I contacted him OOC inquiring about why such an established community member sets such an impressively low roleplay standard and was informed that Eppy chose to abandon all player interaction because he, "has his pride", isn't going to "have his Liner pirated by a Bloodhound. Sorry, mate", and that we should "bring weapons next time". Gee, ain't that just swell. Oh, incidentally, he also informed me that he considers my opinion of his handling himself ingame irrelevant because he "doesn't know who I am, and doesn't care". Su-perb.
As such, I find it somewhat hypocritical of him to argue that the Phantoms exhibit inappropriate or insufficient roleplay here when, by all accounts, any such approach to ostensibly productive debate of his is, in actuality, a poorly-disguised attempt to bitch about his character being forced to make an exchange with others (whether of words, gunshots, or something else entirely), something that most members of this community likely view as the lifeblood of the server but that Eppy chooses to interpret as a violation of his "pride", whatever that is. What exactly are you proud of, Epyon? Leaving all roleplay behind the instant you might be forced to, shocking, I know, interact with another on their terms? Good God! Perhaps it's accusing another of poor or lacking roleplay, conversation, interaction prior to your being killed by said another, despite your A) being guilty of the exact same on a regular basis and B) explaining the exact same away as being irrelevant compared to your "pride" when the exact same criticism is applied to you?
Slightly off-topic, but all the same.
Did you expect me to PAY you? you could never have even dropped my shields, but I could never have engaged cruise. You weren't a threat to me, all you were was a ball and chain. That's not RP, that's a joke. If you can't hope to threaten someody you shouldn't pirate them, and if you come at me with a pirate's tag what do you think I'm going to do? Run for my life. That's what traders do. We run. We don't scan, we don't care what ship you're flying, the minute we see a hostile tag we make a break for it if it's possible. You played a ridiculous joke on me, you made me a subject of humor by using your tag to trick me into thinking I was threatened, and then you suckered me into abandoning my ability to play by engaging me in a combat situation I couldn't possibly have escaped from but couldn't possibly have won because there is no way a Liner could hope to hit multiple targets that small and fast. You engaged me in a fight that I could neither justify paying my way out of, because there is no way you could destroy me, and I could not win, because there is no way I could destroy you, and forced me into fleeing to a base, docking, and losing my right to trade. That is what I call stupid and poor RP. In fact, I call it griefing.
EDIT: No, don't lock it, this needs to be said. I got screwed by a bunch of jokers. If they want to insult my RP, let me singe theirs a bit.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how threads are locked (@ Zig). -Edit- Yeah like eh, Athenian said while I was posting...
Anywho, no offense, Eppy - I get that it was your Captain's way to be proud and not bow down to the Phantoms, but I've talked my way out of the last two Phantom encounters I've had. So... Eh... Y'know. There's always a way. Nobody likes giving in to terrorists, but then again nobody likes dying either. Realistically speaking, I think you would have done what the Phantom wanted if you had 1600 passengers on board; speaking entirely in RP. Like, if a cruise liner got hijacked by Somali pirates (ha!... Sorry), I don't think the Captain would shout, "Come hell or high water, fight these fiends back!" *pew pew*
I think they'd be like, "So! What can we do for you today? *whisper* Don't say anything stupid!"
This thread is so full of fail that my teeth hurt. This is why we have PM boxes. Now go read Blighter's post on being excellent to one another, start living up to your own expectations and stop twisting your paws over the manner by which other people conduct themselves.
