Why Zoners? Because if the shipline is not exclusive for the MM (which makes sense to me, as MM is not capable of producing their own ships) it should be civilian, which civilian party is almost neutral to everything? Zoners.
Why not outcasts? Because outcasts don't need another VHF.
Why not Hessians, same as above.
Why not any other faction, same as above.
Why not a Bretonian coorporation? I'd believe they have their hands pretty busy with providing BAF with ships. But can be discussed, although it won't be of free use if it's built by a lawful house.
Why not a Kusari, Liberty or Rheinland coorporation?
For a civilian ship which should be used by anyone, zoners are the best choise, like it or not.
Of course, if anyone can think on someone else who can build ships as a neutral party, it could be nice.
Maybe a gallic coorp? = D
Quote:I'm MM, but I'll say: if we're getting boring and die, then let it be so. :\
Are you MM? If you are getting bored, and you don't play as MM, are you really a MM? Sorry for being rude, but make your mind for once, leave or play.
MM is not the only faction that cannot support a shipline, yet there are faction with the same "status" which do have a fighter. I'm thinking the Hogosha. So, just as the Samura built a ship which in fact belongs to them, I think the same with the MM and a third party would be acceptable.
Are the Reavers requesting their own shipline? No, they are not.
Are the VPS requesting their own shipline? No, they are not.
Your example regarding the Samura and Hogosha is flawed since yet again, their size as opposed to the MM is MUCH bigger. They have a vast commercial network and facilities. Both also are vanilla factions. Which means that if the player faction dies, it still makes sense for their ships to exist for independant players.
I can understand your concerns, but having the MM get their own shipline just because another faction does is NOT necessary due to the reasons that were stated before by other players as well as myself. On top of that, it was decided by the dev heads to avoid adding more faction specific ships (custom factions). If you doubt me, go ask the other heads. That is Mjolnir, Cannon, and Frozen.
Now, if you want to pursue this dicussion, please create a new topic. This one here is to discuss the model itself, not the RP behind it.
' Wrote:Why Zoners? Because if the shipline is not exclusive for the MM (which makes sense to me, as MM is not capable of producing their own ships) it should be civilian, which civilian party is almost neutral to everything? Zoners.
Why not outcasts? Because outcasts don't need another VHF.
Why not Hessians, same as above.
Why not any other faction, same as above.
Why not a Bretonian coorporation? I'd believe they have their hands pretty busy with providing BAF with ships. But can be discussed, although it won't be of free use if it's built by a lawful house.
Why not a Kusari, Liberty or Rheinland coorporation?
For a civilian ship which should be used by anyone, zoners are the best choise, like it or not.
Of course, if anyone can think on someone else who can build ships as a neutral party, it could be nice.
Maybe a gallic coorp? = D
Are you MM? If you are getting bored, and you don't play as MM, are you really a MM? Sorry for being rude, but make your mind for once, leave or play.
Stations where the ship is sold, don't define its alegiance. For example Kingsfisher is sold on Manhattan, but it's completely okay to be used by Rheinlanders. So it doesn't matter on which station to sell the ship, it's rather OOC matter.
Difference is Hogs are a vanilla faction, Mandos aren't. I'm not against nor am I for it. I don't rightly care, thing is though. If you make these Mando only, then we need another set for open use.
Having this open uses kills two birds with one stone.
' Wrote:Are the Reavers requesting their own shipline? No, they are not.
Are the VPS requesting their own shipline? No, they are not.
Your example regarding the Samura and Hogosha is flawed since yet again, their size as opposed to the MM is MUCH bigger. They have a vast commercial network and facilities. Both also are vanilla factions. Which means that if the player faction dies, it still makes sense for their ships to exist for independant players.
I can understand your concerns, but having the MM get their own shipline just because another faction does is NOT necessary due to the reasons that were stated before by other players as well as myself. On top of that, it was decided by the dev heads to avoid adding more faction specific ships (custom factions). If you doubt me, go ask the other heads. That is Mjolnir, Cannon, and Frozen.
Now, if you want to pursue this dicussion, please create a new topic. This one here is to discuss the model itself, not the RP behind it.
Just because they do or don't do something doesn't mean that we have to do the same.
I'm not saying that the only reason we should get these ships is because others did. Was mainly stating that saying "MM doesn't have means to build ship" isn't exactly accurate, as it's been worked around that before. As for the faction's size...I still don't exactly see how that matters. As for the last point, there are non vanilla factions who have shiplines. If they die, there are no indies to use the ships. It hasn't been a problem so far.
While it's your decision entirely and you don't have to explain yourselves to me, a reason why that decision was made would still be appreciated. And I don't doubt you, at all.
Uhm, very well....
' Wrote:Difference is Hogs are a vanilla faction, Mandos aren't. I'm not against nor am I for it. I don't rightly care, thing is though. If you make these Mando only, then we need another set for open use.
Having this open uses kills two birds with one stone.
True, but as far as I remember, Dieter paid Luis a while back to come up with a model for MM. Would be somehow meh if our money (or better, Dieter's) ended up in someone else's ship....
Well... this is an interesting thread I made up. Nevertheless, I do agree with few post of Bretonia being the closest to the MM. I will give it another twirly-spin and much more closer to the Bretonian designs instead of "Zoners Zoners Zoners!" and less 'scaled'.
I saw a thread about Renzu's Shipline.... well about that. I will need to have a good discussion with Zelot since he is 'more' in to the Renzu Corp stuff.
Again, I need Hitboxers/Hardpointers to help me submit these meshes. PM me in Forums or via my E-mail: navarroluis@ymail.com
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