So hey, about the recent Zoner drama. Use it much?

[Highland Laddie]

Please quote that where I whined about OP bases or capship restrictions. If you cant find any, please dont mention my posts in your answers about this matter.

Maybe you haven't personally, but that's been the gist of the drama as it has unfolded over the forums. But you responded specifically to my post, so I felt obligated to respond in-kind.

Also, as you said you have little information about our talks with them. Then why do you make any statement if your knowledge is limited? Not every diplomatic events go on forums, I think you know that as well.

So, are you saying if I'm not a Zoner, gtfo? Nice. My observations are based on what I've seen. I didn't say they were all-encompassing. Kudos to you if you are able to actually accomplish things diplomatically off the forum. But that hasn't presented much evidence in this current situation.

[Thyrzul]

Maybe you haven't personally, but that's been the gist of the drama as it has unfolded over the forums. But you responded specifically to my post, so I felt obligated to respond in-kind.

And do you have anything in the defense of PoBs and how well balanced they are to back up your opinion that people complaining about how imbalanced they are should stop their complaining?

So, are you saying if I'm not a Zoner, gtfo? Nice. My observations are based on what I've seen. I didn't say they were all-encompassing. Kudos to you if you are able to actually accomplish things diplomatically off the forum. But that hasn't presented much evidence in this current situation.

Well, from his words I rather gathered "stay silent if you know very little". And that sounds quite reasonable, yup. (And before somebody would go all "hypocrisy" or "double standard" on me, well, I judge who I judge in this affair by their forum presence as my in-game presence was very limited so far to gather sufficient information to judge by that, I admit.)

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[Anaximander]

^Perhaps you should lay off the judging, hm?

[Thyrzul]

^Perhaps you should lay off the judging, hm?

Knew it...

(And before somebody would go all "hypocrisy" or "double standard" on me, well, I judge who I judge in this affair by their forum presence as my in-game presence was very limited so far to gather sufficient information to judge by that, I admit.)

Little addition: So far it seemed to be enough for me to judge the parties involved by their forum presence as such have provided me a vast amount of information regarding how they conduct diplomacy with eachother (or how they don't), and overall how they relate to eachother and to themselves and their own lore. In addition this, several comms provided information about in-game stuff, so I believe I could use that too to further judge the events and the parties involved.

Should you feel the need to correct my view on this whole by presenting in-game evidence about how different or unexpected each party behaves compared to their forum words and actions (e.g. in-game ZA was never hostile at all, etc.), you are free to do so and I welcome any correction which may get me closer to the general truth.

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[Quiron]

Maybe you haven't personally, but that's been the gist of the drama as it has unfolded over the forums. But you responded specifically to my post, so I felt obligated to respond in-kind.

So, are you saying if I'm not a Zoner, gtfo? Nice. My observations are based on what I've seen. I didn't say they were all-encompassing. Kudos to you if you are able to actually accomplish things diplomatically off the forum. But that hasn't presented much evidence in this current situation.

Still you should not put words in my mouth, just because I am on the "other side". Just dont generalize, please.

I didnt say any "gtfo". If you feel like this it wasnt intended and sorry for that. Its just I dont like when somebody makes statements or handle half-information as a fact therefore accusing a party without knowing the case thoroughly.

Anyway, this matter is somewhat closed now, so there is no reason to continue the argue here. As Jack said, lets chill.

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[Highland Laddie]

And do you have anything in the defense of PoBs and how well balanced they are to back up your opinion that people complaining about how imbalanced they are should stop their complaining?

Well, we've had that discussion in another thread, and I've even presented a few ideas on how PoBs can be regulated and modified a bit to take care of the balance issue. But, from a practical standpoint, I think it should be a separate issue to the ZA-related drama. My original point in bringing up the matter was in regards to how forum-whining has been happening on both sides, not just the ZA.

Anyway, this matter is somewhat closed now, so there is no reason to continue the argue here. As Jack said, lets chill.

Agreed, and there's honestly no real animus on my end. As a independent third party in the matter, I just wanted to bring a supposedly more objective viewpoint to the whole discussion. Peace.

[Thyrzul]

I think it should be a separate issue to the ZA-related drama.

Should or should not be is totally irrelevant, as it can't be a separate issue. The two pretty much correlate with eachother as the current status of PoBs granted the ooRP backup for the inRP behavior of ZA.

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