//consider most of this post out of character, it's still a 'rough draft'
//Alright, after making the black dragon society proposal and being shot down (it was my fault for using an existing faction name, I admit) - I've decided to create something a little different, a more 'legal' or house-loyal hogosha group. Give me some feedback on the idea, and let me know where I can improve.
//NOTE: this is not asking for an official faction status yet, it's just an outline of what I'm looking to make, for feedback purposes.
Details:
Traditionally, "Uyoku" means "right-wing" - referring to the radical ultra-nationalists of Kusari (//japan). The Uyoku are those that use political influence, and in some cases terrorism, to promote their nationality.
In Kusari, the Uyoku are those who support the emperor and the Kusari house through less-than-legal means - including piracy, extortion, and blackmail of foreigners. The Uyoku syndicate also deals in gambling and artifact smuggling, in addition to their more violent operations.
Until recently, the Uyoku were made up of several independent groups, often falling under the banner of the Hogosha, who had little power or influence outside of minor attacks and criminal activity. When the Hogosha Lord Tora Mitsukai came to power, he rallied the Uyoku together under a single flag - that of the Syndicate. Under his control, they have become an exceptionally powerful and influential clan amongst the Hogosha, forcing their way into Kusari organizations such as Kishiro and Samura, in order to strength Kusari as a whole.
The foremost goal of the Syndicate is the prosperity and strengthening of the Kusari people. They believe in the preservation of the Kusari way of life, and that foreigners of all types are a direct threat to Kusari.
The Syndicate has taken up three primary, seperate operations within Kusari since rising to power:
1- The 'cleansing' of direct threats to Kusari space - including the Blood Dragons, Outcasts, and Golden Chrysanthemums.
2- The taxing of foreign traders, using the profits from this taxation to strengthen the Syndicate and to support the lower walks of Kusari life. This has also had the effect of making the Syndicate appear, in the eyes of many poor Kusari citizens, as an honorable and heroic group - by taking money and goods from the wealthy foreigners and giving it to the poor of the Kusari House.
3- The movement of artifacts into Kusari space, from Corsair allies within the borderworlds.
The Syndicate also assists the Kusari State Police and Kusari Naval forces whenever and wherever required - including the destruction of foreign smugglers, and attacks against bretonian warships in the tau systems.
Ranking within the Syndicate:
The Syndicate is headed by Kumicho (//"elder father") Tora Mitsukai.
Under the Kumicho are the saiko komon (//senior advisor) and so-honbucho (//headquarters chief).
The Syndicate's members are split up into three groups, with each group headed by a shateigashira (//Local gang boss):
-Tekiya: The Tekiya are the smugglers and fencers of the Syndicate. Their primary task is the smuggling of artifacts into kusari space, as well as the smuggling of essential supplies to kusari allies (gaians, order, and corsairs).
-Bakuto: The Bakuto are the gamblers of the Syndicate. They often both bet on and participate in illegal starship racing circuits around Sirius, and also organize 'to-the-death' combat competitions between captured foreign pilots.
-Gurentai: The Gurentai are the pirates and more violent elements of the Syndicate. Their primary tasks include the taxing of foreign traders, assaults on foreign houses, and attacking blood dragon, outcast, and golden c. operations.
The common slogan of the Syndicate is "Tenno Heika Banzai" - translating to "Long Live the Emperor". Rallies organized by the syndicate are common on Planet New Tokyo, and are occasionally held on Kyushu and Honshu as well. These rallies inspire the Kusari people to ban foreign influences and trade, and also serve to recruit citizens of the Kusari populace into the Syndicate's Ranks.
//and now to the technical bits:
Zone of Influence: Kyushu New Tokyo Hokkaido Honshu Shikoku Tottori (Hogosha Guard) Tohoku Sigma 19 Tau-29
Bases: Kabukicho Depot, New Tokyo System
Kanagawa Depot, Tottori System
Affiliations: -Allied-
Farmer's Alliance
Gaians
Corsairs
The Order
-Unfriendly-
Bretonian Corporations (Planetform, Gateway, Bowex, BMM)
Outcast Allies (Hackers, Rogues, Hessians, Mollies)
Liberty Security Force
-Hostile-
Outcasts
Golden C.
Blood Dragons
Gas Miner's Guild
Xenos
Junkers
-Nuetral-
Rheinland Corporations
Liberty Corporations
Rheinland Military
Rheinland Federal Police
Liberty Navy
Liberty Police, Inc.
Zoners
Allowed Ships: Kusari Ships (Kusari gunboat, destroyer, and battleship limited) Civilian Ships (Eagle line) Corsair Ships (Limited to RP deals with corsair factions)
Allowed Equipment: Civilian weaponry (Starbeams, Flashpoints, Debilitators) Hogosha weaponry (drake plasma cannons) Kusari weaponry (disinfectors, sunfury cannons) Farmer's Alliance weaponry (vultures) Corsair Weaponry Codename weaponry (limited to two per ship)
//As mentioned by someone in a PM after my black dragon society post - I should note here that I'm not looking to make this official until after 4.85, when more options are available for ships and RP, as well as when I can get more members to join up.
' Wrote:3- The movement of artifacts into Kusari space, from Corsair allies within the borderworlds.
For what purpose? In the rest of the goals, you had a point. Here it is kind of just thrown out there.
' Wrote:-Bakuto: The Bakuto are the gamblers of the Syndicate. They often both bet on and participate in illegal starship racing circuits around Sirius, and also organize 'to-the-death' combat competitions between captured foreign pilots.
What exactly will these people do ingame? There isn't really much of this that can be done on a regular basis.
' Wrote:Kusari Ships (Kusari gunboat, destroyer, and battleship limited) Corsair Ships (Limited to RP deals with corsair factions)
These two things I have a major qualm with.
First, Kusari ships:
If the KNF were to openly hand out Kusari ships to Hogosha and FA members, there would be a serious doubt in foreign eyes about where their neutralities lie, and how they deal with internal pirating. As Zelot said before, there has to be a reasonable doubt from foreigners, and even one Fighter or Bomber can shatter that doubt.
What I'm trying to say is that the KNF really shouldn't be giving you any Gunboats or Destroyers, and especially no Battleships, but instead you should be using the Kusari Explorer and the Talcara Cruiser, as those have been retired form active service and it would be more plausible for a foreigner to see an Explorer or Talcara than a Modern Kusari Gunboat or Destroyer and keep up the reasonable doubt. Especially if you are to use their weapons as well.
EDIT: I didn't notice that there was no restriction on Chimeras and Kusari Bombers. That might cause some problems also. If I were you, I'd restrict those, also. For another fighter, look at the Stinger. It's fully civilian and it flies alright. For a bomber, though, I'm pretty stumped...
Corsair Ships:
As far as I know, the Corsairs value their ships very highly, and they don't give them out very often, even to their most trusted allies, who I would think are the Gaians. Now, then, to get hardware from them, there has to be some major RP interaction or something must be changed in the Corsair RP. In other words, unless it's just a few Praetorians until the next mod version comes and we get our pretty Hogosha Fighters and Roc MkII's, this isn't going to fly well either.
That's my take on this. Rather well written, and I hope to see the Hogosha out and about again.
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[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
Quote:For what purpose? In the rest of the goals, you had a point. Here it is kind of just thrown out there.
Because it's what hogosha do?
Much of the info from rumors and news in-game outright states that hogosha are the primary artifact smugglers in kusari, and that they obtain the artifacts on luxury liner hawaii in sigma 19 from corsair agents. They used to work through the GMG - with the GMG being a 'middleman' and making a profit for no real work - but they started making deals directly on the hawaii which pissed off the GMG, and is why they're now enemies in the Hogosha rep list.
Quote:What exactly will these people do ingame? There isn't really much of this that can be done on a regular basis.
That's something I was going to elaborate on later. Primarily, these are going to be the 'racing team' I'm working on setting up for the Sirius Racing Syndicate, which is already established and organizing events.
In addition, I was planning on having hogosha-hosted 'pvp events', between pairs of players or small groups (1 on 1 duels, or 2v2/3v3/etc. fights), over which gambling and betting would take place - between both hogosha members and spectators from other kusari factions, and maybe even other house factions. An illegal 'pit fighting' tournament, of sorts.
Quote:These two things I have a major qualm with.
First, Kusari ships:
If the KNF were to openly hand out Kusari ships to Hogosha and FA members, there would be a serious doubt in foreign eyes about where their neutralities lie, and how they deal with internal pirating. As Zelot said before, there has to be a reasonable doubt from foreigners, and even one Gunboat or Destroyer can shatter that doubt.
What I'm trying to say is that the KNF really shouldn't be giving you any Gunboats or Destroyers, and especially no Battleships, but instead you should be using the Kusari Explorer and the Talcara Cruiser, as those have been retired form active service and it would be more plausible for a foreigner to see an Explorer or Talcara than a Modern Kusari Gunboat or Destroyer and keep up the reasonable doubt. Especially if you are to use their weapons as well.
That will be fleshed out. Primarily by "kusari ships" I meant fighter/bomber class vessels.
The Wyrm-Class Kusari LFmk2 is a generic ship according to it's infocard, and isnt produced explicitly for the kusari navy or police - meaning it can be used by the hogosha and AFA. I originally used the wyrm on my character, Tora Mitsukai, until I acquired a gunboat.
Capital ship class vessels (nothing above destroyer/cruiser class) would of course be limited to the leaders of the faction - the Kumicho (myself) and the two 'second-in-commands', who would be restricted to gunboats or lower - their choice. All other faction members will be restricted to bombers and fighters, which is something I forgot to mention in the post.
Quote:Corsair Ships:
As far as I know, the Corsairs value their ships very highly, and they don't give them out very often, even to their most trusted allies, who I would think are the Gaians. Now, then, to get hardware from them, there has to be some major RP interaction or something must be changed in the Corsair RP. In other words, unless it's just a few Praetorians until the next mod version comes and we get our pretty Hogosha Fighters and Roc MkII's, this isn't going to fly well either.
That's my take on this. Rather well written, and I hope to see the Hogosha out and about again.
That's why I said "limited to RP deals with corsair factions":) Corsair ships would be a rare thing for us, and only used after an RP event with the corsairs concerning the acquisition of these ships, and with the approval of the TBH -and- OPG. Chances are none of us would ever use corsair ships anyways, because we prefer kusari technology.
On the issue of Corsair ships... The reason you aught not use Corsair ships is two fold. First, You are Hogosha, You are Kusari, why would you look to outsiders for your ships when Samura sells one. (and if you are waiting for 4.85 there should be a FA/Hogosha fighter to use) Second, the situation between KNF and the Corsairs depends on allowing FA and Hogosha to handle the Corsairs affairs in Kusari. If Kusari civilians and military officers start seeing Titans and Toolboxes flying around Kusari, it would be hard to ignore the fact that the Corsairs probably should be hostile.
On Diplomacy.... I am not sure the Order should be Allied. Kishiro should be Neutral. Why is LSF Unfriendly while LN and LPI are neutral?
About the rankings.. Speaking from experience, I would suggest not making three different groups and lots of ranks. The Hogosha are a small faction, and will probably be a small player faction. Start with plans for a small group instead of a big one, then if it starts to get big, you re-adjust, but starting out with plans for a big faction, and not getting the 10 or so members needed to make it work will just leave everyone disappointed. Start small is the advise I would give you.
On the issue of Kusari military ships.... First no matter what the info card doesn't say, the Wyrm is a military ship, it is only sold on Battleships, and it is an advanced light fighter, depending on military research. Next, don't use the Kusari Gunboat and Dessie, use the Explorer and Talarca... and the Hogosha don't need a Battleship, it is against every thing the Hogosha are about, the Hogosha believe in keeping a low profile, but there is nothing in Sirius with a bigger profile than a BS. You dont need it, just leave it out, go with the Kusari civilian ships, and leave the Military ones alone.
It's actually a pretty well thought out and nicely crafted faction idea. Keep working on it. Ship sensitivities with other players are the only things you will have to hammer out. The rest looks pretty good.
Nice work and presentation--practice defending it with the peanut gallery when they show up. Haha. After that, you should be good for getting members.
I like the gambling arm--figure out some ways to do that. Maybe if you kill a player enemy in combat and he is willing to volunteer, you "capture him" have a "death match" and the winner walks way free with the loser's cash and ship equipment.
Quote:On Diplomacy.... I am not sure the Order should be Allied. Kishiro should be Neutral. Why is LSF Unfriendly while LN and LPI are neutral?
According to the rep list in-game, the Order are direct allies with the Hogosha.
LSF are unfriendly because of the artifact smuggling operations on the luxury liner hawaii - in several infocards and rumors it states that the LSF know about the artifact smuggling there between corsairs and hogosha, and have been trying to shut those operations down.
Kishiro is friendly because the hogosha infocard says that they've got influential agents inside -both- Samura and Kishiro, I would assume that means they can manipulate either company, and due to Kishiro's smaller size it would probably be even easier to get them to agree with Hogosha actions.
Quote:About the rankings.. Speaking from experience, I would suggest not making three different groups and lots of ranks. The Hogosha are a small faction, and will probably be a small player faction. Start with plans for a small group instead of a big one, then if it starts to get big, you re-adjust, but starting out with plans for a big faction, and not getting the 10 or so members needed to make it work will just leave everyone disappointed. Start small is the advise I would give you.
Good advice... Was only trying to give some structure to the faction, but I can start it out as a single group rather than split up like that.
Quote:On the issue of Kusari military ships.... First no matter what the info card doesn't say, the Wyrm is a military ship, it is only sold on Battleships, and it is an advanced light fighter, depending on military research. Next, don't use the Kusari Gunboat and Dessie, use the Explorer and Talarca... and the Hogosha don't need a Battleship, it is against every thing the Hogosha are about, the Hogosha believe in keeping a low profile, but there is nothing in Sirius with a bigger profile than a BS. You dont need it, just leave it out, go with the Kusari civilian ships, and leave the Military ones alone.
Well, of the three hogosha players I've seen in-game (myself being one of them) - two of us already fly kusari gunboats. They're built by samura, and I've got RP behind mine being secured after my character's inheritance, as a command ship for his hogosha clan. I dont plan on using anything larger than a cruiser/destroyer, and even that is probably not going to happen unless I really feel the need for a big flagship (as I was discussing abuot the huntress cruiser not long ago). None of the members other than the 'leader' will be flying a capship, most likely. However... I am working with Jinx to try and get a Hogosha gunboat made.
As for the kusari explorer... Since it is primarily used by the GMG now, who we're directly hostile with, I decided against using them. I'd much prefer the kusari gunboat, both because I already have one (and cant afford to change ships at this point) and because I think it looks more low-profile than the explorer. Besides, I've grown fond of it - even with my anti-fighter setup I've taken out outcast destroyers one on one:)
On the Military ships, I think you should talk to Lotek and see what his view on it is.
The Kishiro thing has the makes of becoming a problem, as Hogosha are very closely associated with Samura, where as the info card is the only evidence I have of any Kishiro/Hogosha connection, especially due to the fact that Kishiro gives secret support to the BD/GC. It may throw off the balance of Kusari politics.
Also, on the Order thing, dont necessarily go by the info card. The infocard has only 2 categories, Allied and Enemy. but then we split them up further here into Allied, Friendly, Neutral, Unfriendly and Hostile. You should look at the interactions between Hogosha and the Order, where there are none, and if you want an alliance with the Order, get in touch with Dboy and work something out, but most of the Player factions use Allied to indicate a deal with another player faction. For example, right now the AFA has only 2 factions on the Allied list, TBH, and NLH, because those are the 2 factions we have alliance deals with. Also look at BS|'s diplomacy, they only have the Corsairs listed in their Allied list.
I also want to say, I think this post is very well thought out, and it has my thumbs up. Please dont take my comments as anything other than trying to have you setup the best passable Hogosha faction, and that I have a vested interest in how it turns out, especially since we will probably be close than any other factions we are associated with.
So then, looks like the Black Dragons are finished?
The Faction here looks similar to the Black Dragon's original RP and makes great sense. One subtlety with the BD's was that Pirating was not allowed in Kusari in order to cast a veneer of respectability over the Hogosha quasi Criminal organisation. In fact the BD were encouraged to escort Traders across Kusari (for a fee of course!). This goes a long way to getting over the use of Kusari ships and not quite as aggresive as the AFA who have somewhat different aims.
As for ships... I still have my Kusari Bomber... In RP terms granted to me for services to Kusari through armed resistance against foreign invading forces.
I'm looking forward to see how this develops.
Keep working at it! I'll be glad to help where possible.
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