(02-21-2014, 04:54 PM)Savas Wrote: I feel like a shady intelligence organization would actually support a corporate war against one of their enemy's corporations.
The LSF main objective within Liberty is basically what the LPI do but in non-public places.
And no, not really. ALG is a necessity within Liberty, it's why they're the only allowed Rheinland corporation within Liberty. There'd be zero reasons (at the moment) for the LSF to not want them there, it would be against Liberty's interests -and- safety.
(02-21-2014, 05:32 PM)Soul Reaper Wrote: There'd be zero reasons (at the moment) for [Liberty] to not want them there, it would be against Liberty's interests -and- safety.
That's subject to debate and is actively being addressed in the Lib. Gov. Chat. The reasoning behind both arguments are logical.
Main points:
Liberty doesn't want ALG to support Rheinland by using Liberty's resources (scrap) to be smelted in a way that can benefit Rheinland.
Liberty wants ALG to clean up Texas since they are the best at it.
Counterarguments have also been addressed to both. It's a matter of the majority, really.
EDIT: Who is considered to be the "majority" or the deciding authority is the real question concern.
The argument: "We are rather weak, ok.... because we are fighting X wars and... and... and.... BUT... we have enough forces to do [insert here: "whatever we want to do to be totally pro in the situation"]..." is sufficiently known by now. It has only been used... ehm... almost every time House intervention was questioned oorply.
While I agree, that House Intelligence factions might be the ones who would actually care, I doubt that they have nothing better to do than to worry about a conflict that has not even started. What exactly happened? A GB was blown up? In my vision of the Disco universe, this loss would not even be noticed (if not reported).
Realizing a conflict should take time (this one was reported by DSE, so that was perhaps not very clever), and reactions (by Police, Navy, Intelligence factions, etc) should only follow when the fighting reaches some noteworthy intensity.
No corp-corp incident I can remember has ever gotten even close to that level since the RF| group that was initially using IMG IDs on their Zephyrs to kill Rheinland Corps. That was likely around 3 years ago.
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Corporate warfare surely isn't just hiring mercs, and I'm happy to see many people supporting idea of corporations clashing with others and having more power. Still, goverment reaction not to do anything is very surprising in situation when firm from hostile House shoots own corporation, in addition inside Liberty.
(02-21-2014, 04:30 PM)Soul Reaper Wrote: The LSF and LPI are both defensive entities, not offensive ones. There's a reason they exist.
This is bull, Reaper. You intentionally went offensive which brought about issues with Kusari. You also have intent to attack someone else to bring about a result to one of the wars. Both of these you did on your own with out consulting the players directly related to LibGov. Had we been aware of your plans with Rheinland, things would have gone down a different path, but no. You and your goons decided you knew best and faffed up anyway.
(02-21-2014, 05:32 PM)Soul Reaper Wrote:
(02-21-2014, 04:54 PM)Savas Wrote: I feel like a shady intelligence organization would actually support a corporate war against one of their enemy's corporations.
The LSF main objective within Liberty is basically what the LPI do but in non-public places.
And no, not really. ALG is a necessity within Liberty, it's why they're the only allowed Rheinland corporation within Liberty. There'd be zero reasons (at the moment) for the LSF to not want them there, it would be against Liberty's interests -and- safety.
Your opinion on ALG's necessity is simply that. An opinion. We have an opinion we don't need them. There are many ways to clean crap up when we're in an age full of robotized equipment, not hard to build a crap ship out of scrap metal, fill it with toxic waste and send it into a sun in a border system. No waste to make safe, just a simple means to incinerate it and get it out of our hair. No, ALG is not 100% needed and as a 'secret security force', I'm amazed you aren't highly skeptical of foreign entities in our space considering the amount of enemies we face.
Well, no matter what, DSE and any other big corporation should have the might to skew things their own way, instead of being bossed around by simple admirals who have no influence besides holding a rank or any economic strength.
So if DSE wants to have a fight, they'll have it, and you'll not be able to say no to them, unless you gather the support of a more economical strength and put them against DSE. Simple as that.
Remember the guy in suit, who said "I'll leave this matter into your 'capable' hands..." to Jun'ko Zane who complained about the lack of men. She could not even talk back.
(02-21-2014, 04:54 PM)Savas Wrote: I feel like a shady intelligence organization would actually support a corporate war against one of their enemy's corporations.
The LSF main objective within Liberty is basically what the LPI do but in non-public places.
And no, not really. ALG is a necessity within Liberty, it's why they're the only allowed Rheinland corporation within Liberty. There'd be zero reasons (at the moment) for the LSF to not want them there, it would be against Liberty's interests -and- safety.
If you say so. Though I can assure you that in real life (since you seem to like 'realism'), the extremely shady and unscrupulous (Let's not pretend they are the opposite) intelligence agency of a country that is at war with another country would support their own corporations covertly in this situation - there is simply no reason not to; especially if the conflict in question happens to be mostly contained in the scrap field of a backwater border system which is already used to at least semi-regular attacks from Rheinland. Why not take the opportunity to damage or sabotage a crucial corporation in Rheinland's struggling economy? It would help in the long run if extensive damage could be dealt; besides, as Alte said before, there are more native people more than willing to take over ALG's place in Liberty.
The ironic thing here is that when the players of the Navies came down on us about it due to their plans and opinions, and respectfully albeit begrudgingly, we backed off because we respect the other members of the LibGov/LN/LSF and decided to talk (argue) about it until we all came up with a suitable response.
We didn't throw our weight around simply because we can't, we did it because surprisingly enough we value everyone elses RP, no matter the subtenancy.
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