(04-30-2025, 02:01 PM)Perfect Gentleman Wrote: I'll put my cents in.
I'll start from a distance. I have no personal beef with DTR or the Administration/Staff. Everyone is doing their own thing, but everyone needs to see boundaries and standards. The very ones that every player here, who honestly understands that he is on an RP server, is equal to.
And if the standards are met by everyone, you will have something resembling harmony. But what I see in this situation is this:
1. DTRs disregard generally accepted RP standards.
- @Nika and me started our investigation into the Noth group (we'll catch you guys sooner or later), and one of the steps of our investigation was to interview random players, who were also DTR players. Just because they messaged us. In one of the meetings, we simply saw how a person transporting artifacts was unable to construct sentences correctly, and seemed to have no idea where he was. The second meeting was in Theta, where we had a very unproductive conversation with a battlecruiser under DTR tag, after which we decided to abandon this idea of interrogating DTRs first and almost immediately switched to the Phoenixes, from where things moved forward.
Just imagine a random guy who suddenly wants to conduct some RP with you. Not by agreement, but simply by entering space and wanting to talk about something. And how will it end?
While doing this, I stumble across a random post by the Kusari government and discover this. I was particularly attracted to the picture.
And, after 2-3 years of existence, you still facing the problem your players approach the RP process completely illiterate. I also inquired with Ceu about the general situation in DTR with RP, and I discover this:
Quote:Perfect Gentleman — 22.04.2025 22:03
By the way, how are DTR members doing with RP in general? I've heard mostly negative reviews, but I'd like to know your opinion personally.
Ceu — 22.04.2025 22:31
They are alright. Those who try to RP do well, but there is not alot of RP done and sometimes their english is not good
The cherry on the cake was the very metagame event, the context of which you all know. That is, people needed to explain in a separate post what a metagame is. The DTR command seriously believed that such a thing was possible, simply because someone there on the team agreed with them. So, by that logic we should raid Alaska simply because if we can dock with a normal jumpgate, we can use this one leading to Alaska from NY. Am I right? That is, your question didn’t raise any doubts in you at all?
Daily reminder, you are an official faction.
2. You blatantly lie to those around you about working with newbies.
- DTRs allow themselves to do this and this. Context for the first video: I make a jump to Sigma-17 and find one (or two) battlecruisers, a bomber and a gunboat attacking me, who is on a bomber. Timing is 5:20. You know the context of the second video without me.
You point out that you follow the rules and talk to your people. Okay. Then explain to me why, in 2 years, with your unique approach, you haven't developed a clear system of what exactly a newcomer who comes to you should know? The change in command staff does not affect this. Why, after 2 years, has it still not dawned on your people what they need to do to avoid being unfairly accused of something again?
Why do these same people, who are unable to connect two words together due to their poor knowledge of English and complete lack of understanding of the RP, somehow get the tag of an official faction? You just need to be close to the newbie and help him personally, and not just throw him into the meat grinder for slaughter, giving out the tag of your faction and creating an exclusively negative opinion about yourself. Yes, it is harsh. But I do not blame people for bad English. We are not perfect, and this is a fact. But observing banal grammar and logical construction of your actions is probably not so difficult, right? This is RP: you write, knowing what and about what you are writing.
The responsibility for the newbie group is higher than any other thing (even faction) on this server.
3. All this is happening, please note, over 4 months, starting from January 1, 2025, to April 30.
DTRs managed to raise a whole wave of negativity towards them in 4 months. And all this is just a series of cases in these 4 months, the end of which was a discussion that started in another thread.
You are doing the wrong thing. You refuse to accept a simple understanding of how and what works here. You are doing what you are doing on purpose, making up excuses in your favor on the fly. To commit so many violations, and very flagrant ones at that, usually deprived the faction of its official status. And you, apparently, do not value this status. At the same time, everyone who wants to is quick to remind others that "DTRs are active and help newbies".
They do not help them. If you helped them anonymously, without calling them into your ranks, then yes - I would agree with you and your great mission. But you're literally not giving them anything that's normally welcome on this server. The math about "lots of people in faction = lots of sanctions to that faction" only holds true when that lot of people don't controlling themselves and allow themselves to break the rules.
But the real reason is not because others (non-DTR) players and admins are too violent, but because of you:
- Inviting newbies directly to DTRs with no any introductory information;
- setting them on farm/raidlogs and no matter what they'll do there;
- inviting in official faction people with low-English-skills and just whole misunderstanding what RP is.
There are a thousand other methods of how to gather a company and keep people even without knowledge of English, while managing to make everything around you cool and leave only an exclusive opinion about yourself. You choose the most negative path for both you and the people around you. And who benefits from this? There is no third party, "the instigator", who remains in the shadows, and all this supposedly benefits him.
And again, I will remind you that I have nothing against you. Everyone decides for themselves what to do on this server. But everything I read and what I see - in total, it goes beyond all possible limits.
I still think that the Admins' decision regarding that big warning was wrong. Yes, it was looks like you became a scapegoat. Yes, it was ugly. You definitely do not deserve all this. No one does. It only multiplied the negativity.
But you have already tried to test the patience of many, many people on this server. And now they are paying you back in the same coin. It's mutual.
Just think seriously about why this is happening and has been going on for 2 years. It's clearly not about them.
well once again i have to give my 2 sence to this and i will apologise my english is not that good too but my generell texting skills are somewhat lacking cuz of something callet legatenie im bad ad it i know i tryt severel treatmens to that back in school time nothing realy helpt me to get that out just so u know about that
u mention that dtr aperently takes anyone in without explaining things properly to them , well i see where u come from i myself play this game for now 5 weeks i think i startet around 27 of march and yes me and my brother both got fast into dtr thx to them helping us on a nps mission , there did explain to us some basic stuff but not evrything cuz that is something u read up urself in my opinion in the rules , and i myself try my best to hold to the standards given to me, exemple if i die in pvp i leave system or wait with that char on base for an hour playing another char in another system staying away from the ppl that got me for an hour as the rules say wich shoult be done by evryone honestly.
also i nthe time i myself did not witness realy any rule break or the likes ofcourse me as a new player dont see evrything cuz i am not there all the time but like i sait before just my mind to this topic to help in anyway posible to solve the problem here cuz it is a game and games are made to have fun and relax from the irl shit we have each and evryone going evry day .
about the RP part yes i might also be new to that i try to get into that asweel staying in charackter if i interakt with players while also beaing polite and respektful to the other site of interaktion again as the rules say it shoult be and again as anyone shoult honor these rules too i can only apologice if i myself have broken any rule like that before so far i didnt do a rule break as far as i know so yeah i wil also try to keep it this way . and i wil lslowly get into it sadly most interaktion latly for me is comming down to oh u work for dtr or ojh u are dtr ok weapons free on u i mean literly i got huntet now 5 times in 30 hours by the von meier guy in delta in my hegemony or my transport .
i get htat ppl are mad at DTR but there are always two sites to a story and i would like that not evryone gets labelt bad just cuz there like to play with dtr or accoiate with dtr ok i know a few new ppl like me in dtr that also try there best to get into this game but ppl forget sometimes that it takes time to get into the game as a new player also reallive is first so most ppl dont even have that much time to play in the first place so all is ask is fair treatment for evry faktion and for evryone to maybe take a step back and slow down abit to think how problems can be solvet properly ok
thx for reading the masive text im sory im kinda bad with words im abit sozialy arkward too
Quote:The math about "lots of people in faction = lots of sanctions to that faction" only holds true when that lot of people don't controlling themselves and allow themselves to break the rules.
Faction A that logs 20x more than faction B will get 20x more reports and sanctions in the same time period on average, all other things being equal, that's like 2+2=4
