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[Benjamin]

50 is just very silly in general. I think taking one-two of the bases out of it and putting them in 49 and just 'losing' the jumpholes wouldn't be such a travesety.

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[Malaclypse 666]

A bit like watching a tennis match, Blubba, but eventually everthing got through my filters. Good input. Thanks.

I can also see Mindelo moved to 49, and perhaps even Lanzarote becoming Junker. (We'll trade em for a base in Gallia.. heh.)

A quick musing on the "mixed" population of Canaria. What has it been, a decade now? Does it make more sense that the two populations would have remained segregated for that length of time; or have they mingled, intermarried, and produced little toe-headed "Zorsair" kids..?

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[SigCorps]

Well I think the idea of a separate docking ring for Corsairs is an excellent idea and makes sense in RP. You dock at the zoner ring and you can enter the bar and meet Zoners, hunters and Sairs. You dock at the Sair ring adn you 'll only get Corsairs and Zoners in the bar. Zoner patrols need increased.

I do belive it is time that the Mollys discovered O-49. Some patrols around the jumphole to dublin would be good, just as would Hessina patrols around the O-47 jumphole. It makes no sense that with of these two groups have bases on the other sides of these holes yet have no patrols. I think that the Sair patrols could be cut back and the Bounty hunter ones also.
As for some RP. Well a few new news stories on Gran Canaria and Lazarote about the mollys and Hessians entering O-49 would suffice, with some coresponding ones on their bases just outside of O-49. We could even set up a few events with Mollys and Hessains wandering in and discovering this Zoner system.

As for the GMG being in O-49. If they want to take the chance to mine there..so be it. They have to take their chances just like anyone else.

I think the Zoners do "own" O-49 but the Corsairs do have the right to be there. No reason why we can not both make the area safe. Although we should both abide by any agreements that come up. There is pleanty of potential RP there and RP can make game changes in any direction.

Edit @ Mal- Yes I think after a decade there would be little toe-head Zoesairs running about. But even then I think the majority of the Corsairs would be still wanting to return to their home world and their own ways. The Corsairs are a proud people and would not let go of their heritage after such short a time

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Formerly Sam Nichols, creator of OSI

[globalplayer-svk]

hm, interresing ideas dab. You dont like Corsair population on Canaria, so lets cut it. i dont like zoner freeports in theta and in o41 because they are still used as bases for attacks by hutners. so lets attack them and rename them to corsair base 1 and corsair base 2 (the same mechanics as you used dab... )
And to the attacks in 49. someone here typed things how corsairs are friendly with miners. Yes they are, with CR (colonial remnants) but when you look on diplomacy of the IMG faction you see one thing:
Unfriendly (engage if threatened):
BMM
DS
NLH
Independent Corsairs
TBH
OPG
Benitez

and you think when pirate has someone in weaktrade ship infront of guns, and he know that he is stated as unfriendly, he has reason to stay back? No!

Yes? i am unfriendly, ok then, 2 milions or die please (very short version:))) )
and about people still screaming that corsairs can make nothing, because they need food from zoners. Dont forget that times are changing. biodomes in 91,94, and is not so hard to make deals about food with farmer alliance, which make bigger friendship between corsairs and kusari (for example food for weapons for farmers,+staying away from kusari and helping with massive attacks against bretonia) (only example)
so then you have population on gran canaria that dont need to stay quiet any longer, because it can be suplied from their own people.and what then?
zoners always forget one thing. they need peace with corsairs exactly so much as corsairs with zoners. both have profits from that.

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[Malaclypse 666]

Agreed, Globalo.. we have mutual "uses".

But we get a bit tired of the threats. Hope you understand.

Now, in my estimation, that is the purpose of this discussion. To give us a common base of understanding, so that we no longer need to threaten food shortages (which is ridiculous), and you no longer need to threaten to "liberate" our Freeports (which is also ridiculous).

In the immortal words of President Nicholson, "Why can't we all just... get along!"

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[SigCorps]

Agreed, Globalo.. we have mutual "uses".

But we get a bit tired of the threats. Hope you understand.

Now, in my estimation, that is the purpose of this discussion. To give us a common base of understanding, so that we no longer need to threaten food shortages (which is ridiculous), and you no longer need to threaten to "liberate" our Freeports (which is also ridiculous).

In the immortal words of President Nicholson, "Why can't we all just... get along!"

Is that quote not just before the martian planted a flag in the center of his chest?

But I do have to agree that yes we Zoners are sick of the threats, as I am sure the Corsairs are sick of ours.

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[tyro]

transfer the O47 and Dublin jh to O50.
there would be reason for Mindelo base - guard station, O50 will be more popular - transit system, and o49 will be secret heaven for zoners and corsairs.

[blubba]

Theres no need of threats against either side.
It's true the corsairs need food. Their situation has improved but still food is gratefully recieved. Lets be honest here, the Zoners don't 'give' it to the corsairs and in return, the great families don't really raid zoner transports. There will always be a few individuals and cases which the zoners deal with as they see fit.

Regarding GC, the zoner and corsair populace may be suspicious of each other but both realize that without the balance, Omega 49 would be a war zone and both parties would be compromised, possibly fatally.
Mollys have stated that nothing less than total annhilation of the corsair menace is acceptable. Terms which the Hessians are all too ready to accept. I don't suppose the Bretonians would be too far behind that step either.
This is not lost on the population of Gran Canaria who by now have probably got lots of little Zorsairs and Corners. (That last one doesn't seem right...).
Sadly, any expansion by Hessian or Molly forces would be at their expense. Goodbye freedom, hello slavery - if they're lucky.
I can now actually see even more reason for the deal between zoners and corsairs in this system. Since Casablanca fell, and now the discovery of the JH from Dublin and Londonderry by the Mollys, there is even more need for it.
It doesn't matter what the Hessians or Mollys say, Gran Canaria, with it's large population of corsairs who are well mixed into the zoner population, will be seen as a ripe 'soft' target for invading corsair hating forces and currently, there doesn't appear to be a shortage of those.

The only thing I think I need to emphasize is that the deal protected the people of Gran Canaria. Being mostly Zoner, they are called zoners but that doesn't make it exclusive. Anything else in system is just a target.

*lets hope your filters are still working...*

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[RingoW]

Corsairs and Zoners would not have mixed in all the years. There are still rumors on bases.

Its clearly stated, an outsider might fly with Corsair, even might be adopted into the families, but there wont be a wedding between Corsair and Noncorsair.

There is also the nice lil rumor story about a Zoner tried to marry a Corsair woman and is now chased across Sirius by the brother of the female Corsair. You'll find him at FP 10 in Tau 37.

Corsair are isolationists and will live separated from Zoner population on GC. Ofcourse they will have economical relations and friendships, but nothing else.

Now, as we all know, nature can't be subpressed really and if a Corsair was moving away from the isolationistic and particulary racism way of being a Corsair, the specific person would have been excluded from Corsair society in the best. In the worst, well....

As someone has mentioned, the future of Casablanca in O47 is not written yet. Why Corsair should not recapture it?

AoM

[Blodo]

As someone has mentioned, the future of Casablanca in O47 is not written yet. Why Corsair should not recapture it?

Because they don't have an endless amount of forces to throw at stuff all across Sirius. Red Hessians have in RP a much larger presence in the Omega systems than Corsairs, they are both rather balanced in their trench warfare in Omega-5, and now they are both getting hit by a Wilde invasion so hard apparently that it is making them both speak of a possible temporary cease of hostilities in Omega-5 while they deal with the aliens.

If Corsairs want to retake Casablanca, then they need to take a force from somewhere else to be able to successfully overtake the larger Hessian defense force there, so they lose presence in Eta or Omega-5 or Cambridge or Dublin... etc. etc. take a pick.

Right now the RP in Omega-47 is that the Hessians are keeping just enough forces there to hold the base from a counter attack, but not enough to completely secure the system. So what Corsairs do is they run the blockade to Omega-49 either avoiding Hessian patrols or taking them head on, and some undefined number of them makes it past the jump hole to the other side.