ooc: Verg, I've always assumed that the "Planetary Defense Shield" is power-playing in itself. Seems kinda cheap. "You cant attack our planet because of our uber-pwning shield that is awesome..."
@ F Wolf -- What the hell are you doing? Commiting acts of terrorism in the name of the Hackers????????? Seriously mate, the HF don't do that crap! And I'm sure the AW don't either. Seriously, i know you were trying to RP, but ask korrd, (always, as he's your superior officer) before doing anything this drastic.
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The cool thing about the planetary shield, as well as the one on Cambridge, is that it wasn't just "wished" into being. I like how the people who put them up actually created a list of needed supplies, and then actually brought those supplies to the planet via train.
I don't mind terrorist attacks, as long as they stay within a reasonable scope. I've always thought that orbital bombardment is a bit hokey though.:)As a general rule, players shouldn't be doing things that their factions would never do. Just because you're affiliated with pirates doesn't mean you're bent on causing maximum death and destruction.
If you're going to attack NPCs and make news out of it, keep it real. Attack some convoys and claim that as your victory. No need to claim millions dead or cities destroyed, it just sounds silly. Remember, no matter what you claim in your RP report, in the game, the cities are still there and life goes on as if nothing ever happened. The most convincing RP-ing is the kind that works within this framework.
The only time "major" attacks work (such as Cambridge a while ago) is when they are announced WAY ahead of time, made reasonably plausible, and give other players plenty of time to respond.
Flyer, it was not the AW ship, but a independent lane hacker, and he did it in retaliation for the raids conducted by the SA on Vespucci against npcs, where he was standing guard before. I dont want to ask Korrd about this, just about what [AW]F_Wolf can do. Also [AW]F_Wolf dont have power to bombardment in a planet as he is using only a fighter. The lane hacker destroyed civilian ships too, a lot of transports. Lane hackers are pirates and I'm sorry if you are trying to turn your lane hacker clan into a quasi-legal organization (as was show in the thread about the KNF - from what I known lane hackers are held as criminals by the kairetsu).
Tannik, I liked your recommendations but I will not do that kind of "power play" anymore as Ill not write in Comm ID (RP) anymore. My reason was to stimulate the guys on the SA to play more, so the attack was for that, but people are not reading my posts as their answers lack clear interpretation. As was said in sushi's guide to RP, nobody have a right to say to me how I can RP or not. I think that only clan superiors can do that and in this case, only with tagged ships. :rtfm:
I have a police char too, who works in Rheinland space. Should I let Korrd decide what to do with this char too? So the reason of a possible decomission for the AW ship, I dont want people messing with my other chars. I see that Flyer have a ship on the SF, who is a enemy of the HF, should Firebird decide what Flyer will do with the HF? Think about it.
Tannik, I liked your recommendations but I will not do that kind of "power play" anymore as Ill not write in Comm ID (RP) anymore. My reason was to stimulate the guys on the SA to play more, so the attack was for that, but people are not reading my posts as their answers lack clear interpretation. As was said in sushi's guide to RP, nobody have a right to say to me how I can RP or not, I think that only clan superiors can do that and in this case, only with tagged ships. :rtfm:
I hope I didn't come across as overly critical...wouldn't want to violate my own rules.:)I was just trying to state my opinion and offer some ideas on how to make all of this RP go smoother. I understand, you're trying to create some excitement for us to get riled up about, and I definitely approve of that.:)But just so you know, I for one would have been happier out of character and just as mad in-character if you had reported wiping out an entire Universal Shipping convoy or taking down an LNF cruiser. When it comes to RP, small events are at least as meaningful and fun as "big" ones.
Don't give up, wolf. Good RP takes practice, and I don't claim to be any sort of expert myself. Keep posting away and reporting your dastardly exploits against Liberty. But I think you'll find yourself better received if you keep things smaller and more realistic.
Bestflyer, He wasn't doing it in the name of HF, he was a Hacker Tagged and ID player. Remember, the HF are not HAckers, they are Just Alligned to them. That basically applies to all factions.
As well, what Tannik said, the PDS was 'constructed' as in they had to bring all the supplies to Los Angeles. Its not power gaming to me. It shows, to attack a planet Such as that, you will need a large attacking force, one that could be set up before hand and a large Rp battle made.
I Believe F Wolf has "paid his dues", some of which were due to a misunderstanding.
F Wolf, I have only one more suggestion. When posting RP, especially if, like many of us, you have multiple characters to deal with in roleplay; it is best to identify which character and role you are representing.
Your first post did identify you as the guy on Perseus, but since you're a bit new, and had just joined the AW.. (and, you posted in the wrong thread...), it was assumed that you "were" AW.
It does take detail and attention to divide the characters.
Give it a try.
Mal
And thank you for offering to done it down completely, but that's not what I wanted.
F_wolf I found your story more than a little shocking. Ok w/e, you're right it is a game and you have the freedom to RP (within some guidelines I might add). Now the following is not a criticism of you mate, just a rant in general:)
The reason why the planetary defense shield was invented, was to stop this kind of thing, "I WENT AND PWNZORED YOUR PLANET 10 BILLON PEEPLE DEAD LOL!!1!!!!1!!1"
A single cruiser (or whatever), unaided, wreaking that kind of destruction on a home planet? I mean come on. Even if the place is undefended by a faction -- everyone can't be on 24/7 -- it is still backed up by navy patrols all over the place. Yes I know NPC patrols suck, and are useless against any capship, especially with the tactics (or lack thereof) used by NPCs.
But still how about a little RP? Lets assume Navy patrols have some teeth when making a story. "Single guy makes bombing raid on LA... intercepted by a LN patrol... 1 cruiser and Dreadnought destroyed and many prisoners taken, before being forced to withdraw with heavy damage."
Ok put it this way.... if NPC capships had shields and decent weapons, we wouldn't see some guy in a gunboat sitting over a planet, pwning Navy patrols with impunity, and littering the skies with junk like he's some kind of god.
(again F_Wolf, not a dig at you personally, just I've seen it so many times.)
F_Wolf, you don't need to delete you AW character, and we do not tell you what to do with your other characters other than to not use them as if they were AW which you haven't done, so thats okay. They thought you were an AW because the post was moved to AW MSG because Kane or Korrd didn't have enough facts to know what character it was. In reality it was everyone's fault, and no one's fault. It was all due to a misunderstanding that people jumped on.
Yes, the Planetary Defense Shield is power-playing, but was done in response to power-playing being made by alot of people. Some of this IS directed at Phantoms for repeated bombardments of planets. They should have known this would happen when they blow up Leeds 3 times and Cambridge twice.. But most was because of random pirates coming in and powerplaying that they can blow up everything (OMGZRS! I can kill NPC BSs in a RH Bomber as a Corsair! I'm UberPAWN, boomy!) which made the SF and SA put defense shields up. I don't get mad at the Cambridge Defense Shield. The way I see it, now to get the shield down, which only occurs at where you focus fire, it takes an entire BS firing on it to lower a section of shields, then a nearby cruiser to make strategic attacks on targets. But SA putting one on Cali because HF and AW went to war with them was powerplaying without an excuse, and should not have been done. QV got flamed for doing an RP that he started a month and a half before he used, yet no one complained till he actually used the thing, which really wasn't that bad.
Tannik is correct. Bombardments shouldn't be able to be accomplished by anything less than a full militaristic force that is assembled for warfare. This would include the factions with battleships. Such as AW who have Zoner Juggernaut, GoR with the Outcast Dread, Bs| with Osiris, RM, SF, and SA for their obvious BS-class ships, and HF with the Spyglass. Just because a Player faction has a BS shouldn't mean they can bombard. They should be a militaristic organization that is aligned with an NPC faction that has their own BS, that the PF uses. The reason for the Camb shield is because there were pirates with BSs showing up and just randomly bombarding planets, such as the idiot who had Order guns on a Nomad BS who flew into Camb with some random tag and ID.
Also, people need to research the factions they join to determine what kind of acts would be appropriate. The Lane Hackers don't kill innocent civilians except for transport pilots and crews if they refuse to give them the cargo they demand. So bombarding wouldn't be done by an LH except against military targets, such as HF destroying military equipment manufacturing plants, training centers, and military bases.
You all need to stop jumping on each other over things. If something seems like it would not have been done such as an AW killing a million civilians, than question the person publicly or privately about it. It might be a misunderstanding. I'm not saying I'm perfect at this, but I realize that its happening and I don't wish it to continue either.
And just for the record.. There is only one AW who can get away with mass genocide, and thats me as Luciaden.
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