Since December 01 there have been seven characters logged in. Four were logged on by the same person. The other three were independent IPs. There were four, I am not 100% accurate in chats.
There are at least TWO sets of Lan Networks, with different people on it.
The first one is mine, with Harvester_69 also on it. Harvester_bank is a shared account.
The next Lan party is Harvester 24 and Harvester 25. So that is four people.
The rest, you say...are three in different Ip's address. So that makes seven.
Even if we are counting wrong, faction rules say: 4.3 If a faction has only 1-4 active members, its status is changed to suspended. Suspended faction has 4 weeks to regain lost numbers, otherwise its existence comes to an end.
You were given two weeks to come to us with something that looked like a happy family. Our server was attacked, so we've more than doubled that time. You have brought us nothing.
Let deal with this directly: You and another admin were invited into a harvester skype channel.
We were given a time to get active. We did that.
You, pressed for a change in leadership. I and my supporters said No. We said that there is No server rule that says that admins can step in and interfere with a faction. To which , you gave us the impression that : You admins can do whatever you wanted. Just because there is NOT a rule written does NOT mean you can't do it.
A difference of option : If you don't like a faction's leadership--then a members can always leave. If all the members leave, then the faction will fold---it's that simple.
I searched a bit of server rules. In your skype chat to us harvies, you Virus stated that you were not a fan of dictatorship leadership. Yet, in http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=21888 1) Each faction has only one leader. Leader must have at least one character of level 60 or above.
The entire faction creation of this game, is based off of ONE leader. Not a group or commentee.
Then Virus left the harvie chat room. The other Admin stayed in the room. Yes, we were granted more time since the server was attacked. The bottom line was All the harvies that wanted to be Harvies under the current leadership---stay....the rest left.
Also, when we brought up a couple more things and questions---we got told, Admin (name withheld) is handling it. Therefore, it should of been his input to said something on it. 2 weeks pass. 2 more weeks passed. The active harvies are still flying. We sent an AIID requests, to which, I am told is still not been addressed.
This appears that your upset because 'said few admins wanted a change in harvester leadership' and we harvesters did not want that.
Speaking of addressed: Some of the AI's had some questions that we asked. Over and Over again. There even been a new post : Ai's woes : So far, all we got was :: We will get back to you.
Your message dump has been used 4 times in the last month by 3 people, on appears to be a player leaving.
I will be relooking into the server rules to see if it is required for an official faction to post. So far, all I found is this:Some points to consider: - Factions with external websites can have a harder time proving effective roleplay, if they do most of their forum roleplay at the other website. Roleplay posts on those websites are obviously not available to the general community. You may need to invite an Admin to your website to have a look. Such factions should still do some roleplay on this site, so the community knows what you are about.
Nothing about members being required to post in the message dump. It would be nice if More did so, so it doen't look like I am talking to myself...but I am not going to start firing Harvester members because they fail to post.
We are planning to do very similar things to many, many other factions. You are not alone. Keep an eye open for this.
Well, As mush as it seem that I am being a *******, I hope so, because right now it SEEMS to me, in my personal option that the Harvesters are being railroaded again, in order to bring in a new 'favored' faction, the SMA.
You appear to be one of the only active Harvesters.
I get told that alot. I also see the current treads of how Rummors get started: You Harvesters aren't active
....and...All the Harvesters are a PVP based faction----COMPLEATLY UNTRUE
and
You Harvester don't give any RP.----Again Compleatly Untrue.
Just because we are not slacking off, like some AI clans want to in our speech and RP, does not make us any less RP. Infact, one of my bigger grips about discogc game is how PvP based it is.
Players hear don't give you time to type, much less RolePlay.It all about: OOO, A Harvester, Kill it now!!!! You must leave this system1! There been a system wide ban on you. ---Before any of us can get out a reply, we are being shot at by other players...even ones that are surpost to be emenies to each other---stop attacking each other and gang up on the Harvies.
The other thing is the way the whole statement is designed to be entrapped. --Your not active--
It is the same type of statement similar to: Have you stopped molesting your neighbors kids?---A designed statement with no right answer.
You may continue as an unofficial faction or you may choose to re-apply for official status in the future.
I am not seeing how that will be done. Does each and every harvester have to apply for specail Role Play request or can we group them together?
Most of the SRPR is based off of a background. Harvester don't really have a background: I am Harvester _XX. This machine was made at Facctory #2875328. This machine has been uploaded the Orders of FTGW. (end of story)
Harvies mostly fly only 2 ships, the ai drone, which we last were told required no AIID to fly, and the Ai cruizer, which we are told is required to have an AI-ID to fly, which is given by admins Only.
Also, how is the AIID going to wrok from this point? Most of the rules of the AIID are written in the general gest of :: with the last one saying: If you belong to an AI faction, you follow the ai faction rules. The AIID rules are really restrictive.
You may appeal this decision by emailing Igiss. His contact details are available on the discoveryfl.com web site.
If that is the procedure for getting this decision overturned, then that is what we will do.
Mr. Moderator, can you remove the above post from Mr. Beta.
I asked and stated that this thread is for Active Harvesters Players.
Otherwise, this threat is going to be wasted into another point by point endless back and forth banter.
""There are at least TWO sets of Lan Networks, with different people on it.
The first one is mine, with Harvester_69 also on it. Harvester_bank is a shared account.
The next Lan party is Harvester 24 and Harvester 25. So that is four people.""
Beta said::No, that means that someone shares an IP, and proves (based upon forum evidence) nothing.
And since Harvester_69 was not an officially authorized number (your words) - that's certainly not compelling evidence, either. (And yes, I've seen your words - I'm one of those that used to believe.)
If it real funny how you pick and choose my words, and not the whole thing. I will take a moment to clarify Harvester_69. Harvester_69 had his name hijacked...this also Happened with Harvester_00. We filed a report with the admins and the names were recovered back to their proper owners.
If your going to quote record, try to get it right.
' Wrote:If your going to quote record, try to get it right.
I'm just the janitor here, and therefore not part of any perceived imaginary "admins hate Harvesters conspiracy". Since I'm the one with hands-on access to the server and router logs, this part of your post offends me, as it is casting doubts on my integrity :
' Wrote:Since December 01 there have been seven characters logged in. Four were logged on by the same person. The other three were independent IPs. There were four, I am not 100% accurate in chats.
There are at least TWO sets of Lan Networks, with different people on it.
The first one is mine, with Harvester_69 also on it. Harvester_bank is a shared account.
The next Lan party is Harvester 24 and Harvester 25. So that is four people.
The rest, you say...are three in different Ip's address. So that makes seven.
Since I was the one digging the data out from the logs, I can tell you for certain, that there only were seven Harvester characters logged on within the last 14 days.
4 of those characters were logged on by you. That leaves 3 characters logged on by other players.
So in total, 4 Harvester players have been online during the first half of December .
If necessary I can also pull out how LONG time those characters were online WHEN they logged on.
Will be quite easy to see whether the players just refreshed the characters, or whether they actually spent some time in-game on them.
Also, one of the characters You mention above, has not been logged on since November 2'nd. I'll leave it up to you as an exercise in getting facts correct, to figure out which of those 4 characters you mentioned, that hasn't been online since that date.
If you admins are going to make up rules that state unwritten powers, like you can walk in and take over a faction leadership--- THEN you need to write them down.
End of story.
Now since I am in the middle of this junk:
First-- Does a couple of Admin telling you something in skype---Does that OFFICALLY count?Yes or No.
If you are being nailed for lack of members in your faction, then that should been posted in the Discoverygc forums as : Harvester Surpended: Failing to keep membership up. You have 4 weeks to get members up and flying. The Admins failed to make said post. --Therefore, is what said on skype offical?
Second: Your telling me that logs of skype are not to be used unless you get everyone else permission. Again, it is something posted off of the discoverygc forums and it is usually the 'policy' that unless it is posted on the discoverygc forums, it is not offical or counts. Isn't that what they are saying about your off-forums private forums and skype??? --If so, then the same 'rules' need to apply to them as well. See above.
Third: From the entire log of skype, all the 2 admins did was tell you to get the Harvesters under one leader. Geisha did that. Everyone else that didn't approve--left to form another clan. End of subject.
The whole matter is an 'unwritten rule or not rule' of Can the Admins step in and take over the Leadership of a faction---That answer never did get resolved. Even after Virus left the Harvester skype room, you and Joe kicked the subject around a bit. From reading the log, Joe pretty much said : Get the Harvesters going.You have done that. Unless Virus is not going to count the people on the lan systems and the other admins back him on that.
Forth: What bonus are The Harvesters getting from being offical? The only one that I see is that the Ai-ID allows your ships to follow the rules set by your faction programming and laws. Otherwise, you have to follow an excessivly narrow protocol set in the writting of the Ai-ID. You don't have a Gaurd System. There is no Ai NPC's. You will never get the Cap 8 armor that is offered to Factions.
And every few months, some hearsay of Admins are telling you that 'they are out to disband the Harvies'.
Oh and it hearsay that was passed on by members and One moderator.
So, what is it going to be? Your unwritten rules need to stop and be put down in stone. If your REQUIRING a certain amount of members to log in X amount of hours per week, per month...then STATE IT!
If your REQUIRING members to submit X amount of in discogc forums posts per week, per month...THEN STATE IT.
And the whole thing is actually entirely moot. This post is still the official stance, so I suggest instead of
trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, everyone moves on please.
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