Add a FP in S-17?

[Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever]

Uh, yeah, actually agreeing with dab here. Theta is SO close to Sigma-17, what'd be the point?

I'd actually want a freeport in... Well wait...

THERE EVERYWHERE. In every sector (Omegas, 2 not including GC and Lanzarote, Omicrons - 3, Tau's - 2)

The only one that IS missing is the Sigma Sector which is only 5 systems, 1 of which is empty, one of which is the GMG's Guard system, and 3 of which are very close to Theta.

[Friday]

There are rumours in-game that Sigma-13 is running out of easily mineable gas pockets.

There is potential for the GMG to pull out of Sigma-13 at some point in the future, and sell off Gas Miner Naha to.....someone else.

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[DarthCloakedGuy]

Theta isn't Corsair territory. Gamma is Corsair territory. Eta is a warzone and doesn't belong to either. Theta is Zoner territory and always has been. And yes, OSI allow anyone to dock FP9 and Corfu. ANY person that isn't an enemy of the ZONERS is allowed to dock in the bases in Theta. You obviously don't do your research. As such, there is no need for a Sigma-17 Freeport.

What research? He outright told me (granted, it was over a year ago) via Skype that if he ever caught any member of the faction in question (Hispanians) docking at Freeport 9, he would Faction Right 5 us all. He outright TOLD me that we were not allowed to ever dock or even approach the station. We had never violated the NFZ, or even entered Theta at that point. He explicitly stated that it was for political reasons with the Corsairs. This did happen. Granted, it was over a year ago. Glad to hear OSI has reversed this policy.

Freeport is owned by Zoners? Check. Freeport is controlled and managed by Zoners? Check.

True, but the difference is that everyone benefits from a Freeport. Only Zoners benefit from a Zoner Base. This is the difference.

It's a Zoner base.
As I said in my post. The map means absolutely nothing. When there are jumpholes going from the far-north section of the map to the bottom-right section in a single jump, the map doesn't matter one bit for this. What matters is numbers of jumps. Not location on the map. Sigma-17 is ONE JUMP FROM THETA. As such, no need for a Zoner base of any kind, Zoner or Freeport. It wouldn't even get used. It'd just sit there.

Seriously? By your logic, Freeport 10 would never get used because Baffin is one system from it. You need to do the research before making these claims.

Now, you've got two devs, Zelot and myself, both telling you it won't happen, and giving reasons for it. You're not willing to give up the argument, so you are ignoring the simple facts as to why it won't be added.

I'm not ignoring simple facts, I'm being presented with logical fallacies and 'facts' that are entirely false.

As Tupa said; Stop being lazy. It's one jump. You're also being lazy and not researching the issue. You've gotten so many things wrong it isn't funny. You're wasting your time on an argument that will get you nowhere.

No, I'm not trying anymore. You guys don't want to put in the effort, and there's nothing I can do to make you. So you win. Doesn't it feel nice.

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HISPANIANS, FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF HER PEOPLE
A Plea to the Outcasts (PG)
CHARACTERS:
LR-I.Got.Nothin', LR-Empty.Pockets, and LR-Dead.End = "Lash" McDaggit of the Liberty Rogues.
SMUG~Eat.My.Exhaust = Jane Terraman and Bob McAdams, smugglers of the Liberty Rogues.
[H]Cj.Martino.Perez = Martino Perez, self-declared Counselor of the Hispanians.
AVATAR MADE BY SPIRIT! THE AWESOME.

[Dab]

What research? He outright told me (granted, it was over a year ago) via Skype that if he ever caught any member of the faction in question (Hispanians) docking at Freeport 9, he would Faction Right 5 us all. He outright TOLD me that we were not allowed to ever dock or even approach the station. We had never violated the NFZ, or even entered Theta at that point. He explicitly stated that it was for political reasons with the Corsairs. This did happen. Granted, it was over a year ago. Glad to hear OSI has reversed this policy.

So what you're telling me, is that this entire idea of adding a Freeport to Sigma-17 was to give you guys a place to base yourselves out of for attacks against the other factions in the Omicrons, because the Zoners wouldn't allow you to do it in Theta?

True, but the difference is that everyone benefits from a Freeport. Only Zoners benefit from a Zoner Base. This is the difference.

Zoner-owned Freeport = Zoner base. They call the shots. Doesn't matter who benefits. If the Zoners own it, it's a Zoner base.

Seriously? By your logic, Freeport 10 would never get used because Baffin is one system from it. You need to do the research before making these claims.

I'm sure everyone who knows Freeport 10 is three jumps from Baffin was as amused about this as I was.

I'm not ignoring simple facts, I'm being presented with logical fallacies and 'facts' that are entirely false.

How are they false? You seem keen on yelling bloody murder with no blood and no murder.

No, I'm not trying anymore. You guys don't want to put in the effort, and there's nothing I can do to make you. So you win. Doesn't it feel nice.

Not really. It does feel nice to think that this issue is over and we can get on with our lives.

But I know you'll post here again.

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[casero]

Zelot, Kusari is inactive as it is. The lack of sensible RP is driving people away. The last thing it needs to do is become bigger.

Furthermore, Sigma-17 (and 19) are the two least-used non-guard systems in Sirius without a Freeport already in them. You can't say it's in the middle of everything. Well, you can, but it isn't.

I was reading the whole thread until this post.

YOU think Kusari is inactive, but it's not.

Sigma 17 is highly used by Samura, Kurile beloging to Samura is our checkpoint to the Omicrons.
We have a lot of troubles with the zoners and their blessed NFZ in tau 29. Do you think Kusari would allow another annoying NFZ right in their door? Would the GMG? Or the RM? Or anyone who already have interests theer? I doubt it. No one wants another pirate nest near their home.

Also, Gallia is inactive and there's not any Freeport since Tau 29, go annoy them.

[sovereign]

Also, Gallia is inactive

*cough*

YOU think Kusari is inactive, but it's not.

I take it you play in Gallia as much as Andre plays in Kusari, then?



As a dev, I see no reason why a freeport will be added to the Sigmas. Luxury Liner Hawaii is practically a Freeport anyway, if you're familiar with its lore. Not to mention all the other reasons mentioned thirty times in this thread.

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[DarthCloakedGuy]

So what you're telling me, is that this entire idea of adding a Freeport to Sigma-17 was to give you guys a place to base yourselves out of for attacks against the other factions in the Omicrons, because the Zoners wouldn't allow you to do it in Theta?

Nope. We don't base attacks out of Freeports, or disrespect Zoner neutrality in any other way. And no, this isn't about us. It's simply a specific, identifiable case in which the Zoner freeport in Theta denied its Freeport status. Since it's no longer doing that, the point I was making is out of date.

Zoner-owned Freeport = Zoner base. They call the shots. Doesn't matter who benefits. If the Zoners own it, it's a Zoner base.

Really? I believe the BMM-owned refinery in Leeds is currently a Kusari corp base. I might be wrong though.

I'm sure everyone who knows Freeport 10 is three jumps from Baffin was as amused about this as I was.

Whoops. My bad. I mean Freeport 6, the one in Tau-29. Sorry, my bad. I apologize. But hey, at least I (unlike some people in this conversation) at least knew there WAS a Freeport in 29.

How are they false? You seem keen on yelling bloody murder with no blood and no murder.

I don't recall yelling bloody murder. I'm simply trying to get something done that needs to be done. Yet another failure to add to my growing list. -.-

Not really. It does feel nice to think that this issue is over and we can get on with our lives.

I agree.

But I know you'll post here again.

I'm OCD like that.

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HISPANIANS, FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF HER PEOPLE
A Plea to the Outcasts (PG)
CHARACTERS:
LR-I.Got.Nothin', LR-Empty.Pockets, and LR-Dead.End = "Lash" McDaggit of the Liberty Rogues.
SMUG~Eat.My.Exhaust = Jane Terraman and Bob McAdams, smugglers of the Liberty Rogues.
[H]Cj.Martino.Perez = Martino Perez, self-declared Counselor of the Hispanians.
AVATAR MADE BY SPIRIT! THE AWESOME.