' Wrote:The whole vanilla mess about artifacts was done by Nomads who were trying to capture that IMG guy with map crystal. Freeport 7 was blown up to return it as well. But in mission 13 you may also see a wonderful example of Liberty liking to research artifacts itself )
Anyway, they are a piece of stone, most of them, and all of them that are getting into market. Corsairs are the only producers and distributes and also the most experienced artifact researchers. They are not letting any interesting piece of knowledge to run from their hands so what is going off the bays is just a pile of fancy trinkets.
P.S. It was mentioned in some rumor if i remember well.
Case and Point.
It's okay when GOVERNMENT does stuff/has stuff/transports stuff.
It's not okay when AVERAGE JOE does/has/transports stuff.
Same is true for many many things irl. Also, the way many things are done here stems from things existant in the real world. (Faction rank structures, chains of command, Government systems etc) Sooo, RL can be applied to FL.
*nods*
Also, laws in Kusari are different from laws in Liberty becaaaause, let's see.
Different countries. Different knowledge of certain things. Different cultural values. Whatever.
Disco logic may be 'Special' but it all comes from the real world. Please stop trying to strip everything away just because you want it to be different.
The laws in Liberty are the laws in Liberty because the Government of Liberty said so, Because that's their RP., And in House Liberty it's perfectly acceptable going on what happened in the original FL. I'd imagine a nation who was so deeply affected by that sorta thing wouldn't just simply forget about it a couple decades later.
So why are they legal in Kusari? Who the hell knows. Kusari and Liberty don't talk much, and it's safe to assume the Kusari aren't aware of everything that happened in Liberty back in the original game. Sooo, yeah.
' Wrote:Yeh, I'm pretty sure Artifacts are illegal in all four houses. Kusari just chooses to ignore the artifact trade, just like Bretonia chooses to ignore pilots carrying small amounts of Cardimine.
You mean they were (ignoring them) when Samura was in charge. Don't know about Kishiro.
99.9% of artifacts are completely inert and useless, like you said. That's great. I'd also wager that 99.9% of airplane passengers are completely inert and useless. Does that mean that any fewer than 100% of them go through a metal detector or fewer than 100% of them put their luggage through a machine? No. Because that 0.1% can be extremely dangerous. Everyone goes through the screening. Everyone.
If one artifact out of billions is the key to stopping the genocide of the human race, as in the campaign, would you not want to have all the artifacts to maximize your chances of stopping said genocide if you are the house authorities?
If there is one in that 0.1% which can save the universe, there might be another in that 0.1% which is capable of destroying the universe. In a system where the upward limit is effectively infinity, it's almost guaranteed. Enthusiasts may get their hands on the thing, tinker with it, and then upper New York suddenly resembles western Texas or Omicron Iota. Is that something you would want for your space? Look at Tau-117. That was an alien artifact which dragged the system over there. These things are capable of creating black holes, yet you want them to be openly distributable? Good luck.
Furthermore, who really knows what is inert and what is not? Those which are deemed inert by smugglers could truly be active, but they simply lack a trigger, like a certain frequency of wave or something Sci-Fi. What if that artifact on the mantle of some strange Los Angeles newscaster is the key to saving the universe and you don't have it? You'll never know.
If you don't like the "It's dangerous" response, well, get over it. That's the reason.
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' Wrote:99.9% of artifacts are completely inert and useless, like you said. That's great. I'd also wager that 99.9% of airplane passengers are completely inert and useless. Does that mean that any fewer than 100% of them go through a metal detector or fewer than 100% of them put their luggage through a machine? No. Because that 0.1% can be extremely dangerous. Everyone goes through the screening. Everyone.
If one artifact out of billions is the key to stopping the genocide of the human race, as in the campaign, would you not want to have all the artifacts to maximize your chances of stopping said genocide if you are the house authorities?
If there is one in that 0.1% which can save the universe, there might be another in that 0.1% which is capable of destroying the universe. In a system where the upward limit is effectively infinity, it's almost guaranteed. Enthusiasts may get their hands on the thing, tinker with it, and then upper New York suddenly resembles western Texas or Omicron Iota. Is that something you would want for your space? Look at Tau-117. That was an alien artifact which dragged the system over there. These things are capable of creating black holes, yet you want them to be openly distributable? Good luck.
Furthermore, who really knows what is inert and what is not? Those which are deemed inert by smugglers could truly be active, but they simply lack a trigger, like a certain frequency of wave or something Sci-Fi. What if that artifact on the mantle of some strange Los Angeles newscaster is the key to saving the universe and you don't have it? You'll never know.
If you don't like the "It's dangerous" response, well, get over it. That's the reason.
So the Liberty is up to have that 0.01% of artifacts which could be a key to something more and that's why they are not allowing artifacts to be shipped into Liberty even for research purposes? But artifacts are still getting into liberty via smuggling and this is completely out of any governmental control. Isn't that easier for Liberty to control the market itself instead of leaving it to roll down the hill chaotically? For example all shipments of artifacts are passing via LSF researchers hands before getting into lawful market.
And as i said, real world logic can't be really applied to freelancer because any time it is getting mentioned is to support someone point of view. But here we have things which are far from any rl logic. If you need an example - take a look on Gold trade in real world.
In Freelancer any Joe can buy a mining ship, put a miner id on it and go to Bretonia. Joe can shoot some rocks, take gold ore and run back to liberty without mentioning Bretonia in his profits in any ways.
In real world it's called theft of national strategic resources and you can be throw to prison in most countries. Same goes for whatever you like. Also usually smart governments are not prohibited themselves from dealing with dangerous things such as viruses and biological weapons. They are surly prohibits some Joes, but they are actually very afraid of not having them. Better to have own hands on such a things then to allow someone else to deal with it without any control.
P.S. So what if we fix the line "illegal" to "Restricted"? For example LSFs will be legally allowed to deal with artifacts. And also now LSF are neutral repped to Sairs, at least it was this way. Add sell point to that LSF secret base on cali.
' Wrote:So the Liberty is up to have that 0.01% of artifacts which could be a key to something more and that's why they are not allowing artifacts to be shipped into Liberty even for research purposes? But artifacts are still getting into liberty via smuggling and this is completely out of any governmental control. Isn't that easier for Liberty to control the market itself instead of leaving it to roll down the hill chaotically? For example all shipments of artifacts are passing via LSF researchers hands before getting into lawful market.
And as i said, real world logic can't be really applied to freelancer because any time it is getting mentioned is to support someone point of view. But here we have things which are far from any rl logic. If you need an example - take a look on Gold trade in real world.
In Freelancer any Joe can buy a mining ship, put a miner id on it and go to Bretonia. Joe can shoot some rocks, take gold ore and run back to liberty without mentioning Bretonia in his profits in any ways.
In real world it's called theft of national strategic resources and you can be throw to prison in most countries. Same goes for whatever you like. Also usually smart governments are not prohibited themselves from dealing with dangerous things such as viruses and biological weapons. They are surly prohibits some Joes, but they are actually very afraid of not having them. Better to have own hands on such a things then to allow someone else to deal with it without any control.
P.S. So what if we fix the line "illegal" to "Restricted"? For example LSFs will be legally allowed to deal with artifacts. And also now LSF are neutral repped to Sairs, at least it was this way. Add sell point to that LSF secret base on cali.
Some interesting RP possibilities may be opened.
Last time it was something more Liberty got infected by Nomads, so yeah I can understand them,
same thing with 9/11, 4 planes got trought when they thought nobody
will pull off that kind of a thing, you think they will keep the same
security measures?
Liberty banned all forms of artifacts since 799-800 A.S. Juni says that when they'r escaping Liberty (i think).
Also. If a Liberty Navy coughts someone with artifacts onboard make sure they'll take those artifacts by force or whitout force and send them to LSF
' Wrote:You mean they were (ignoring them) when Samura was in charge. Don't know about Kishiro.
Acyually Kishiro as opposed to Samura is the main company pushing for artifacts to be ignored, Samura is only a relative new comer to the field that has worked itself into the deal to skim some active artifacts for itself to research, although with the volume moved we will be busy for a while, Kishiro have been doing this for a long time.
So I would not expect Kishiro to suddenly apply pressure to stop access to their research material.
People need to get over the thought that only one company has power in Kusari at a time.
Thanks for opinions folks, anyway, I would like to see some real LSF action, maybe. There are a lot of possibilities around the Discovery we are not using because of bias, so i hope we'll not be afraid of making something interesting off out factions. I'm just looking for possibilities, they are always welcome in my book.
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