Quote:Why do anarcho-communists want to steal the ship designs of a fascist theocracy? Unless they are mainly made up of Rheinlanders, wouldn't they mainly want to do bombings and the like against Liberty?
i mostly stopped paying attention at "anarcho-communists".. i never said we were. we're not. that's a completely different ideological position.
also, i think it's cute how you associate anarchism with bombings. here is some recommended reading. it's called "You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship" http://flag.blackened.net/noterror/cantblowup.html
"would i be amused / would you be impressed / that i had the power to put a hole into your chest / when the kids are cryin' and the welfare check's been spent / would i rob a liquor store to get some money for the rent"
I got the impression you/your faction are/were anarcho-communists due to your defense of communism and Leninism in particular based on a No True Scotsman fallacy. Upon further reading, I've found that an autarky is more akin to an isolationist, hyperprotectionist mode of organization, which doesn't sound a lot like anarchism to me, especially with this faction's apparent black market purchase/hijacking/etc of Kriegsmarine vessels.
I'm not stating that all anarchists are bomb-throwers. However, many anarchist groups favour direct action and carry out a variety of ambigiously legal or outright illegal actions, like "culture jamming" or in some extreme cases bombings. Since most schools of anarchism (except anarcho-capitalism) are opposed to capitalism, which is the basis of Liberty's economy, I would expect a corporate dominated, heavily militaristic nation like Liberty to be a prime target of such an organisation, though the anti-religious quarters of some anarchists may bring wrath upon the authoritarian strictures and Gerichtlicheuntersuchung of the Kirche die Grunne Alders would also make a potential target, especially if said group has ties or basis in Rheinland.
What is more likely is that the corporations will try remove the Anarchists. They may not be a threat through direct action but their presence gives people an alternative to working for their lives to only get thrown in a commercial prison.
Based on what you said Eris, the faction seems damn well thought out. I know if you ever open up recruitment, I'd be straight in to apply:P
' Wrote:I got the impression you/your faction are/were anarcho-communists due to your defense of communism and Leninism in particular based on a No True Scotsman fallacy. Upon further reading, I've found that an autarky is more akin to an isolationist, hyperprotectionist mode of organization, which doesn't sound a lot like anarchism to me, especially with this faction's apparent black market purchase/hijacking/etc of Kriegsmarine vessels.
I'm not stating that all anarchists are bomb-throwers. However, many anarchist groups favour direct action and carry out a variety of ambigiously legal or outright illegal actions, like "culture jamming" or in some extreme cases bombings. Since most schools of anarchism (except anarcho-capitalism) are opposed to capitalism, which is the basis of Liberty's economy, I would expect a corporate dominated, heavily militaristic nation like Liberty to be a prime target of such an organisation, though the anti-religious quarters of some anarchists may bring wrath upon the authoritarian strictures and Gerichtlicheuntersuchung of the Kirche die Grunne Alders would also make a potential target, especially if said group has ties or basis in Rheinland.
one thing i should point out is that while i've come up with the faction paradigm, the other members interpret it based on their own characters' views and their own person (out of game) views. we haven't been sitting around discussing anarchist theory all the time in the game. so the 'no true scotsman' thing, that wasn't me. and actually i've never heard that before so i don't know what it implies.
the reason we are anarcho-autarkists is based actually on my real life politics. i believe that economic dependancy leads to hierarchical power structures. this can be debated, but i don't want to get into all the details here. it's really not a very complicated line of reasoning and i'm sure that if you think on it it'll make some sense at least. so we, the autarks, are constructing a self-sufficient economy. the aspects of isolationism and hyperprotectionism are in fact not core aspects of autarky. remember that many definitions of radical political views are put out by mainstream media outlets, and are therefore suspect to me and to those who actually hold radical views. personally i think they want to make autarky sound like a bunch of crazy xenophobes or something, which is not the point, especially when it is fused with an anarchist system.
also, i'm getting sick of saying this, but we didn't steal any ships, we stole the plans to make the Wrath ourselves. this leads me to your apparent connection between using a tool and associating with the inventor of the tool. a good example is this: the rifle was invented in the US. rifles are used by forces fighting the US. according to your argument, anyone using a rifle would be pro-US, or they wouldn't use rifles.
'direct action' is a concept with many meanings, as you yourself have pointed out. the important thing is to further one's cause, not to do things that people expect you to do. actually, doing that would be bad tactically. the reason we're not attacking Liberty or any particular house or corporation is simple- they're far too powerful to bring down through force. we'd end up become like the SCRA and be marginalized. instead we want to work towards gradual change, by subverting the structures of power on a social level (read: recruiting and convincing others). we expect that sooner or later someone will attack us, and so we are prepared with fighting ships.
"would i be amused / would you be impressed / that i had the power to put a hole into your chest / when the kids are cryin' and the welfare check's been spent / would i rob a liquor store to get some money for the rent"
I see.. I didn't know of your accounts apparent multiple uses nor did I recall the "stealing the plans to a Wrath". Thank you for reminding me, and it makes more sense now, particularily if you buy it from a Bundschuh or launch an operation against a Rheinland plant.
Just FYI, a "No True Scotsman" fallacy is a fallacy such as this;
Person A: No Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge!
Person B: But my uncle Angus puts sugar in his porridge!
Person A: Aye, but no TRUE Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge!
It's a fallacy if you cannot demonstrate a supported set of criteria for such a definition, particularily when "Scotsman" has multiple meanings (male ethnic and/or cultural Scottish person, gender neutral ethnic and/or cultural Scottish person). In this case, the assertion that the Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik was not a "true" communist nation is a fallacy, because no criteria was provided for "true" communism nor a widely recognized political-scientific definition.
So, I think your faction has some interesting ideas, and could very well work.. however, Liberty has had some issues with Zoners in the past (including an incident where a religious tome was mistaken for top-level contraband and confiscated) that may provide some speeding-up to the potential conflict. Furthermore, Rheinland diplomacy on Liberty's end may also be complicated by it, which could prove interesting.
Personally I think this is a great idea. I find learning the ins and outs of different points of views (paticularly dealing with politics) very interesting. If you guys are recruiting I'd definitely want to join.
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