Admin Notice: Faction Statuses Revoked; Warnings for Inactivity

[Dab]

"Folded"? How vague is that... If the BAF Admiralty wills it, the QCP stuff can go for a burton or get loaded into a subforum of the BAF subforum...

Subforum of the BAF Subforum please.

Also can we get a Convoy subforum for BAF| too? They merged into BAF| (they are BAF ID'd/Tagged, so could get official status themselves.)

Could we also get a [Convoy] activity tracker? Keep the QCP tracker too. They don't use BAF| as their tag.

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[mwerte]

it really is a complete joke

Did you expect anything less?

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[Dab]

To this whole Aoi Iseijin argument...

Yes, it was exam time.
Yes, they get persecuted when they log online with a tag.

Aoi Iseijin had about ten members, maybe more...

My faction has 6 members, it was exam time, we get persecuted when we log on..

We managed to keep official status.

Don't tell me a faction with more members than us can't manage that. Especially since all my members are very busy with other factions as well.

These are excuses.

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[Aphil]

But they were online. They were just on their Overt, non-tagged characters, which are, you know, obviously still in the Aoi because you can't just get a Wilde ID willy nilly. Really, the 113rd is, in it's absolute basics, a KNF Wing. There's little to do for a KNF Wing in Kusari, given it's low activity.

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[mwerte]

So you are suggesting we just throw out activity requirements?

Nope, but being more selective about when it's applied would be a nice start.

I really see no reason to care if a faction is inactive unless it's been inactive for 3+ months or there is another faction who is ready to take over, sort of like Kishiro was taken over. Losing the VE and MR and KSP and those others hasn't helped the server in any way shape or form.

Years ago Fellow Hoodlum warned RepEx. We only had 4 members, and didn't have a whole lot of time ingame. The 30 day grace period was almost up and I went "Jes, look, we've been trying, it's just hard to get trading people together." You know what he said? "I understand, see you in 30 days with those members". *gasp* totally against the rules, but the right thing to do? Certainly. And this was Hoodlum we're talking about, not some nice gentle admin like Athenian. I guess the old guy was a bit more open minded then I thought. Wonder where he went.

Anyway, yes Daedric, I've argued against the tracker almost every time it's brought up, regardless of which factions are busy getting themselves warned. My argument against the tracker has nothing to do with the factions under fire at the current moment.

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[casero]

Few other factions have been working / are working with untagged ships just because of that. And even less few factions who use tagged ships on a regular basis are metagamed that much...

[03:45:46] Divine: On the other hand...
[03:46:45] Divine: Dev guys are working on so much stuff for the mod, yet it seems none had been so far even bothered creating a tracker for IDs, which sure would come in handy for tracking activity of factions like the Phantoms(gone)/Keepers/Wilden/Aoi...
[03:47:11] Divine: it's not that those IDs they use are used by a ****load of people so you cannot find the right chars out of the thousands using that specific ID.
[03:47:35] Divine: but hey... changing ships lights and the trade lane overwatch system for cops is sure more important >>
[03:48:01] Divine: as a prog used to do the job of an admin ...

No one is stopping you from programing that, seems you have quite time to post here, and to play in game, I wonder if Cannon wouldn't like to spend more time in game, or doing other things than developing more toys for us. And it's funny but Ship lights make more people happy than 4 special IDs.

Nope, but being more selective about when it's applied would be a nice start.

I really see no reason to care if a faction is inactive unless it's been inactive for 3+ months or there is another faction who is ready to take over, sort of like Kishiro was taken over. Losing the VE and MR and KSP and those others hasn't helped the server in any way shape or form.

Years ago Fellow Hoodlum warned RepEx. We only had 4 members, and didn't have a whole lot of time ingame. The 30 day grace period was almost up and I went "Jes, look, we've been trying, it's just hard to get trading people together." You know what he said? "I understand, see you in 30 days with those members". *gasp* totally against the rules, but the right thing to do? Certainly. And this was Hoodlum we're talking about, not some nice gentle admin like Athenian. I guess the old guy was a bit more open minded then I thought. Wonder where he went.

Anyway, yes Daedric, I've argued against the tracker almost every time it's brought up, regardless of which factions are busy getting themselves warned. My argument against the tracker has nothing to do with the factions under fire at the current moment.

I haven't seen admins notice about Lane Hackers losing their official status... maybe I missed it, I'll re-check... hmm... yeap, no notice... how could that be? Their most notorious characters are untagged... I can't be. Must be Liberty then...

If AOI members don't want to log on their characters because there's nothing to do, then what's the purpose of the faction? Sometimes, you have to create your own purpose, go around even when there's nothing to do, I know, I've done it in [KNF] in the past, suffering the same empty kusari as every other Kusari player, activity went up and down, but still managed to get it.

If the 113th was boring, then maybe the designing of it had a misconcept, of course it's more attracting to have wild ships going to minor and shoot at the order, PvP always attract people, then AOI should have choosen a tag for the wild ID'd ships instead of the 113th, affraid of being metagamed? After 1 encounter those you shot at already know you are AOI, just as everyone know who Phate is, or Mr Sanguinetti.

I'd blame yourselves for being affraid of metagaming (I won't believe you raided minor/delta without knowing if there were players by using the player list) that still can happen, and not choosing a tag for your wild ID'd ships, which are more attractive, have more action and larger ZOI than the 113th that you chose as tag.

[SnakThree]

Possibly because our faction ceases to exist when we lose officiality, whereas those other factions do not.

KSP ?

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[Ayem]

113th wasn't boring, but people generally joined the faction to be an alien, not to be KNF.

Our new faction proposal gives us the faction-wide tag of 113th|, rather than it being only on KNF ID ships.

This 113th| tag will hopefully be matched some day with a specific Iseijin ID.

We aren't afraid of metagaming. Also, not everyone we met on our Wild ID ships died, as our MD can attest.

It is our belief that the original idea of the 113th was flawed from a player's point of view, but it served a valuable function in RP and we have no intention of wiping that time from server history.

I spent very little time in Minor on my Wild ships. Most of it was spent in Sigma13 observing traffic and proliferating misinformation.

It was not a case of not logging onto characters because there was nothing to do, there was plenty to do. However, over the past few months the 113th have received several requests from the KNF and the [KNF] to withdraw from central Kusari space and focus on Tohoku.

Tohoku is a -very- quiet place.

Mostly we ignored them, and continued our work in central Kusari- bothering Artifact traders, alien organism traders, escorting Outcast gunships out of Kusari, escorting Corsair gunboats out of Kusari. The usual. But it was -very- demotivational to receive these periodic demands.

We should have forced people to fly the 113th. We should have looked at this activity tracker. Yes.

We accept that this rule, brought in during March, is now the death knell of a Faction we have worked hard on and been -active- with.

As you've seen today, we had a plan to withdraw all our KNF ID ships and focus on the Wild ID ships; to achieve a focus of mission for our faction. We've been going over these plans and discussing them for several months, always aiming for 4.86.

Now it seems we've had to move forward those plans.

And Casero, saying that it's more attractive to have wild ships going to minor and shoot at the order is all very well when the [KNF] can go to Leeds to shoot at the Baf, but the 113th didn't have that luxury. The 113th| were only permitted in Kusari core space, and even there they weren't entirely welcome.

We hope that the Admin staff will consider the new faction proposal based on its merit, and the merit of our interactions with the community in, and outside the game.

If they want another 500m to show we're serious, they're perfectly welcome to it.

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[Evan_]

I haven't seen admins notice about Lane Hackers losing their official status... maybe I missed it, I'll re-check... hmm... yeap, no notice... how could that be? Their most notorious characters are untagged... I can't be. Must be Liberty then...

Thought I hop in here to clarify that. The LH has most of it's shared ships, and it's recruits tagged. Seems that's enough for the tracker. If there would be another notice, more ships would fly with tags.

EDIT: Sorry for the Aoi, but you'll get back in no time.

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[Pancakes]

Sad to see the Aoi Iseijin go, I hope they'll be given a second chance or so.

The one thing I will never understand is how GRN| maintains higher activity then the needed, I mean, us at [C] simply go trade or attack alpha, but they are stuck inside Gallia.

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