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chopper · 12-03-2007, 06:08 PM,

Just to make sure, if I am the only one who is unhappy with bomber changes.
Because, now they have to work in groups of 3,4 people, which is pretty much not going to happen every time i come online.
It hurts me that my pretty little taiidan is so slow now, the only 2 bombers that i liked were the old ones. RM and Taiidan.
There was no reason to nerf taiidan so much, it has only 4 guns w/o turrets (RM has 1 turret firing in front + more hull).
I don't care if you take all of it's guns away, i have no intentions of killing fighters with it.
Only thing i would like is to be able to actually dodge 1600+ speed turrets, for god sake:(

And one + for fixing RM bomber guns, so they don't shoot in all directions.

Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

mjolnir · 12-03-2007, 06:42 PM,

Bombers are ok now... energy recharge has been upped (at least on some of them).

I gave the Blood Dragon Bomber some more testing - pirating some traders, shooting down a corsair GB. It's less agile than before but still agile... no more fixing needed.

Kusari bomber- felt the same as the Blood Dragon

RH bomber - of course a bit more brick like than the BD bomber but still nice and usable

Only other bombers I tried in beta 4 were Havoc, Civilian and Corsair... they were ok then... haven't tested them in beta5.

So I don't see any need for more changes on bombers.

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Another thing is bomber/gunship balance:

Right now the Hacker gunship turns about as fast as the RH bomber... if the Gunship should be anti-fighter/bomber ship it needs less firepower and maybe smaller shields.

If it should be small gunboat, it needs less agility and maybe smaller powerplant.

Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

chopper · 12-03-2007, 06:44 PM,

Yes, right now, you don't need a bomber. You can take a Gunship and beat cruisers ass 1v1.
It turns like hell, it has firepower, it is small, it is a massacre maker!

Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

mjolnir · 12-03-2007, 06:54 PM,

... gunship balancing is not a point of this thread though..
Bombers are balanced against fighters/GBs/Cruisers/BS now.... balancing gunships is a different thing.

Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

chopper · 12-03-2007, 07:19 PM,

Yes, but i'm talking about balance right now.
If things stay like they are, there is no need for a bomber.
It fits this subject.

If Gunships were removed, i would maybe be able to say that bombers are ok.
But like this? No thanks.

Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

13CentKiller · 12-03-2007, 07:21 PM,

They suck in my opinion....

I can't remember where i saw this or who he was, but he made this statement.

"What good is a bomber if it can't bomb!"

Its supposed to do devistating damage. Now that the Super nova's are so slow and the Inferno's don't seem to do any damage, I can't seem to find any good combination on my bomber. I either blow myself up with the Nova Torpedo's or accidently ram a capital ship lining my a nova to make sure it hits the damn target.

Sorry, they just plain suck now. :angry:

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Unseelie · 12-03-2007, 07:25 PM,

A bomber with dual minis can easily rape fighters....I love my Minis!

Its useless against even a GB, though....

chopper · 12-03-2007, 07:35 PM,

' Wrote:A bomber with dual minis can easily rape fighters....I love my Minis!

Its useless against even a GB, though....

Maybe before.. Or now, if a rival is blind.
I don't know which bomber are you talking about, but my taiidan could never beat a skilled fighter, turning like this.
And i don't mind that, what i do mind is that he is unable to dodge fast cruiser/gunboat turrets.
Unless 3+ bombers are assaulting.

Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.

Can't let you bash folks in your sig Chopper-Del

pipsqueak · 12-03-2007, 07:37 PM,

Quote:A bomber with dual minis can easily rape fighters....I love my Minis!
Its useless against even a GB, though....

Interesting....
Tested in connecticut
I took on a RM Bomber in the slipstream with a CD. Poor pilot couldnt even turn around to face me once.
By the time we got done he had one bar of hull left and no batts and botts.
This was 4.83 when the Agility was not nerfed.

So my statement is if the turn degrees/sec is even lower now. Any decent fighter can make sure your minis always point away from them.

Unseelie · 12-03-2007, 07:55 PM,

you would be suprised...also, that is a slipstream...not exactly the heaviest of fighters.
oh, and, I have a pair of rear firing sallies, and mines to keep you busy when you're behind me.

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