Do Bombers suck as much as I think they do?

[Jwnantze]

Pip I fly a waren, and it cant fire dual supernovas.

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There is nothing worth living for, unless it is worth dying for. -Elizabeth Elliott

[mjolnir]

Pip I fly a waren, and it cant fire dual supernovas.

Huh.. how can you stand it? I suppose you use cockpit view then....

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Jwnantze]

I am 'this' close to selling it, it turns like a brick and has a HUGE hit box. The only redeeming factor? Its extreme uglyness causes opponents to wretch or laugh so hard In theory I could get an easy kill....

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There is nothing worth living for, unless it is worth dying for. -Elizabeth Elliott

[pipsqueak]

Pip I fly a waren, and it cant fire dual supernovas.

I know... why are you telling me ? :)

As for attacking a cap ship + GB with 3 bombers and 2 fighters...
that is totally different than 3 fighters and one bomber.
Now imagine that there were only 2 of your faction were on line like your attackers.
And your faction wasnt allowed anything bigger than a GB.
Do you think It would have been a fair fight then?

Any now I think I will just settle for what I get. and thank god for discovery.. no matter how it ends up looking for me

PEACE

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[alance]

Why does it have to be a fair fight? I run from unfair fights all the time, part of the territory as an unlawful.

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"To gain a hundred victories in a hundred battles is not the highest excellence;
to subjugate the enemy's army without doing battle is the highest of excellence."

[Qunitinius~Verginix]

I fly the Barghest on a regular Basis (look at my Sig) and Its a good ship. I have flown it in the new beta and I am still liking it just fine. I don't think bombers need to be changed.

Verg

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[Offspring21989]

Bombers are still 'fighter' class ships........They ARE JUST fighters with power cores upped to support improved torpdo systems and reduced weapons.

So if they were as agile as a fighter, why would we still call them bombers? Some of you aren't thinking very rationally about this. In FreeSpace2, the bombers were the slowest ships in the game. Sure, they had stronger hulls. But after your escort wing died, you would only survive about 30 seconds. I saw a Corsair bomber take on 4 fighters, and won. It was ridiculous. Bombers are supposed to be easy prey for fighters. What we need to figure out is how to balance things, and stop complaining that you can't exploit the balance from the old beta 4 anymore.

Yes they should have a advantage over gunships, yes they should have the advantage over gunboats, and they should be able to take down cruisers with a skilled pilot. they should NOT be able to take down a battleship single handed.

In a sense of real life, the only real advantage a Jet Fighter pilot has over a Battleship is that he is traveling over 100 MPH, compared the almost stationary Battleship. The battleship may travel at what, 70 knotts? In space, Battleships have more room to move. Your Speed should be your only advantage. But bombers are bigger ships, and that makes them slower, and more vulnerable to fighters. They are designed to blow up big stuff effectively, and they only have a few ineffective turrets on them (like the B-52). And your speed, in a B-52 bomber, is not real fast. Your only advantage is that you are very high up in the air. AND YOU ARE EXTREMELY VULNERABLE TO FIGHTER PILOTS.

EDIT: I don't know how to fix this, I am really only trying to give a feel on how bombers that auctually existed in real life behave, and maybe It would make some sense to start from there.

[Othman]

Anyone tried the BH Bomber yet? I wonder how its agility is..

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[Jinx]

gotto figure out what we have in game - fighter bombers ( jets with bombs ) or bombers ( big planes with enough bombs to devastate a small town )



in freelancer, we do have fighter bombers - that is agile jets that happen to fire torpedos ( since there are no bombs ) - it would be funny to drop bombs though ( high explosive projectiles with no thruster - that just travelled with the momentum of the fighter .. like a mine that engine kills )



i voted for leave them the way they are anyway - ppl will find their way to use them effectivly - they still have the most powerful weapons in the game ( well, besides heavy mortars, but that doesn t really count )



and i think a wing of 2 bombers and a bit of fighter escort can take down just about anything ( that is a destroyer and bigger )

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[mjolnir]

As for attacking a cap ship + GB with 3 bombers and 2 fighters...
that is totally different than 3 fighters and one bomber.
Now imagine that there were only 2 of your faction were on line like your attackers.
And your faction wasnt allowed anything bigger than a GB.
Do you think It would have been a fair fight then?

I think so... when 2 bombers are on and there comes an enemy with caps and no fighters (or just 1). The bombers can take quite big numbers....
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Maybe you should check the "Omg they lost a lot of money" report by Razr in the RM dump. Apart from being funny... Dboy and Razr killed 3 Osiris + 2Gunboats...more times :) It was in 4.83 yes.. but the RH bomber got more agility and the Supernova damage/s is better than double Novas I think.
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More caps simply cannot support each other against bombers.... they run into each others line of fire.. crash.. and all that... or if they choose to sit like weapons platforms... nice then you can actually move the mouse on one side to turn in circles and every time the cap crosses your view you hit the Supernova button :)

Number of BS/Cruisers that can support each other effectively would be max 2.
In BS/GB combination the BS simply cannot support the GBs unless they sit still... which is not a clever thing to do against bombers.
Only combination where this doesn't work are multiple gunboats... there the limit maybe as high as 4.

But you are right that bombers work in groups - so at least two of them or bomber + fighter. Taking a single gb/cruiser in a lone bomber is quite difficult.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.