Current Sirius state of affairs between very unlikely alleys

[Adam_Spire]

After a lot of searching and asking, I have a difficult time understanding an in-game reason why the IMG, CR, Order, SCRA, Hessians, and now the Council have a solid foundation to have a Role play alliance.

When I mean alliance I mean like alliance. Not a pact, not an agreement, a full blown alliance. Not one on paper or some, here we come to take over, but an alliance none the less. An alliance is an agreement or friendship between two or more parties, made in order to advance common goals and to secure common interests. This is exactly what they have. When combat ensues, they all pair up like Starbuck and Apollo, the 70'€™s version. I want to curse so badly each time I see this.

SCRA: The very reason the video game Freelancer exists. Did anyone here even PLAY Starlancer? Was the coalition friendly to anyone they fought against? Didn'€™t they make every attempt of every moment to completely eliminate the Alliance? Were not several sleeper ships made to get as far the hell away from them as fast as humanly possible? Were they not a faction that the residences of Sirius, including Gallia escaped from to save the existence of their way of life? Was the only time in game history that the SCRA relent from destroying the Alliance, for a moment, was when the Sol system was incinerated? Why would anyone, --anyone--, Let me say this again ANYONE have any dealings with them is baffling to me. To top it off, there isn'€™t even any level of concern when factions deal with them save Rheinland. Even what little concern is shown is seen as nothing more than whimsical discussion, masked in half hearted Roleplay to say, '€œLook, we know they tried to wipe us out of existence but hey, they are good guys now and trying to protect us.'€ Makes me want to rip my hair out. Hell, the Order saved humanity and they are hated more than the SCRA. I need to understand this. PLEASE Point by point.

All these factions mentioned above fight along side each other as if they were long lost comrades, pun intended.

The Order and the Council? How in the world can that work in Role play? Isnt the Council at its neck with a war with the Royals and losing ground fast? They are in Retreat system wide, aren'€™t they? How is a militarist setback, such as, about to lose a war in your back yard, put a faction in place to be completely prepared to ally with a completely unknown, up to now, faction like the Order. Did I mention they intend to fight a battle with the Outcasts?

How?! Can anyone explain this to me?

Is Sirius completely oblivious to the SCRA and Gallia factions to accept them in a blink? Please, don't give me this, 'oh but we're careful in dealings with them.' Just please, don't, because I see none of this caution in game play. None of it.

For the SCRA this is not a historical comparison of Japan and Germany joining forces in WWII> This is like the Nazi'€™s teaming up with the Jews they murdered to fight Palestine. I'€™m using this rather painfully strong comparison because dang it if that isn'€™t what The SCRA should be to Sirius I just don'€™t know what else they should.

The very mention of the SCRA should scare the hell out of any human in the former alliance to turn their attention to a faction that wants them dead. Like Dead.


Also, as I see it now, the IMG is not Independent. They are a corporation with a military. They are a nation without a capital, yet. Their status as Independent miners guild should be officially changed. To what? Anything but Independent. I'm thinking, 'Empire' suits them.

If the answers I'€™m going to get are just other examples of other in game inconsistencies, don'€™t bother to +1 here. I want some answers to the above questions.

I don'€™t care to understand what will happen in the future. That'€™s part of the thrill of a Roleplay. But these are current events, and none of it makes any sense to me any more.

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[CzeReptile]

I am unaware of CR being allied with Order or HEssians.

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[Daedric]

SCRA =/= Starlancer Coalition. It is an entirely different beast at this point.

That fact renders a good portion of your post moot.

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[Adam_Spire]

I am unaware of CR being allied with Order or HEssians.

SCRA =/= Starlancer Coalition. It is an entirely different beast at this point.

That fact renders a good portion of your post moot.

There is more in game proof to support my question then to support your statement. The SCRA is a smaller Coalition saying "nice doggie" to all of Sirius until they get a big stick. You need to be objective about this.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

Order:

We get bad publicity. In Liberty everything but the Xenos hate us! Hell, LSF and LN did the,biggest coverups ever! We are hated LIBERTY completely (save Xenos).

Rheinland: The Military is green,to is. We have an understanding. They don't hate us. We help with Noms, we get cookies.
BDM: Treat as RM atm.
Bundshuh: Closest allies we had.
Hessians: Unknown currently.
AGS: Proly hostile imo.

Bretonia.
BAF: we are nietral to them. They do not hate us.
BIS or w/e: Unknown, havent seen 'em
Gaians: Those relations got effed, but we're working.
Mollys: Nuetral.

Kusari: Everything but KPT are nuetral

Hispania:
Corsairs: unfriendly, no fighting.
Outcasts: hate us cuz we hate noms.

Gallia:
We have NO RELATIONS, ALLIANCES, DINNER PARTIES, OR RANDOM SEXUAL ENCOUNTER AT ALL WITH ANYTHING GALLIC.

I used caps to make the point clear.

The closest alliance we have in the Gallia region is Omicron and his Resheph's docking rights on Minato. Period.

Why are we hated more? Its mostly Liberty propganda and I suspect some OORP grudges. That, and the Nomad's Disco lore makes US look like the Nazis. Fancy that.:dry:

SCRA now.

1. We made alliances with the Hessians and Order. Why? We needed help in the Omegas at first.
The Order: This alliance was made because of the Nomads. We banded together to fight a greater enemy.
SCRA and Liberty: The Coalition made an alliance of sorts with the LN during our Civil War. Us,not shooting them, and vice-versa, has been played out in a LOOOONG RP.
2. We might be from the Eastern Coalition, but we are different.
3. The CR friendship was done during the Civil War. Start at the first link in my sig and work forwards.
4. SCRA fights for the working class, hence why we are seen better. The Order, being more secretive, doesnt go off all flamboyantly like the SCRA.

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[Daedric]

There is more in game proof to support my question then to support your statement. The SCRA is a smaller Coalition saying "nice doggie" to all of Sirius until they get a big stick. You need to be objective about this.

I am objective about it. In game proof isn't all that is to be taken into account. Especially considering the in ability to update things as they should be.

The SCRA isn't the Coalition of Starlancer. Go read their message dump, their many stories, and talk with Alvin.

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[Aphil]

If I was a lesser man I would settle for "Haters gonna gonna". However, I feel some things need to be addressed.

The Coalition is only in full alliance with the Hessians. Military, Technological, Economic, the whole lot.

We're no longer friends with the Order, we just kind of ignore them, unless they go near our space. They used to be Technological Partners, in exchange for assisting them in Nomad termination and giving them a base in the Omegas. (A squadron of Order Fighters used to be stationed in O-52)

With the IMG, it's more of a Economic Agreement. They don't want the houses to know we're on decent terms so Military and Technological Agreements are off the table.

With the Colonials, right now as far as I know it's basically a War Pact to fight off the Gallics together. Nothing more, nothing less.

Council, we haven't really talked to them recently, so at best it's a NAP.

That's the Coalition's view of it anyway.

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[Not Espi]

the council is allied with the img (who were the first NOT-HOSTILE group they met after exiting the minefield and the colonial remnant (who 1 - are the IMG's most close ally 2 - are in the same general area the council will need to retreat to eventually 3 - they had good mutual diplomacy all along)

im not aware of the council being butt-buddies with hessians, coalition or the order.

hessians in gallia? u smokin' bro?
coalition was in gallia for a spy mission. they got escorted out after some chit-chat.
order is constantly in gallia, trying to find proof that the king is a nomad for some reasom (or whatever else) one occasion of actual roleplaying with order agents was when a certain someone came to gallia and claimed he has some rotakian tapeworm up his exit hole and that he would infest everyone with it. or something among those lines.

do the math.

[Adam_Spire]

Order:

Gallia:
We have NO RELATIONS, ALLIANCES, DINNER PARTIES, OR RANDOM SEXUAL ENCOUNTER AT ALL WITH ANYTHING GALLIC.

I used caps to make the point clear.

The closest alliance we have in the Gallia region is Omicron and his Resheph's docking rights on Minato. Period.

SCRA now.

1. We made alliances with the Hessians and Order. Why? We needed help in the Omegas at first.
The Order: This alliance was made because of the Nomads. We banded together to fight a greater enemy.
SCRA and Liberty: The Coalition made an alliance of sorts with the LN during our Civil War. Us,not shooting them, and vice-versa, has been played out in a LOOOONG RP.
2. We might be from the Eastern Coalition, but we are different.
3. The CR friendship was done during the Civil War. Start at the first link in my sig and work forwards.
4. SCRA fights for the working class, hence why we are seen better. The Order, being more secretive, doesnt go off all flamboyantly like the SCRA.

You're Caps are retorted by a PM message I just sent to you. I'm not asking questions as if I just started playing the game. And those images go -way- beyond a simple docking right.

1. Who did you need help to fight int he Omegas? The Order was wining battles left and right against the Core and you had the full support of the Zoners. I don't buy it.
2. I have seen not a single shread of In game Role play to support this in any manor. Unless I have an above mentioned faction Tag, I'm a target. Period.
3. I must have missed this civil war. Was this before or after the Zoners starting attacking ships who attacked you?
4. If the SCRA fight for the working class, why do they hire the best mercs to take out working class ships? Would they mind if I delivered food to their home system? How about Ruffugees from a war torn planet to a free port near them? I think Id get hulled faster than I could say, "I surrender"

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[DarthBindo]

There is more in game proof to support my question then to support your statement. The SCRA is a smaller Coalition saying "nice doggie" to all of Sirius until they get a big stick. You need to be objective about this.

He's right.
The current coalition is a result of a very small remenant of sleeper agents aboard the sleeper ships, with a large percentage aboard the Hispania (the saboutuers, probably) that landed with the Corsairs, then recruited more and more to their side and slowly spread out to the other Houses, reestablishing contact.
Eventually they found Omega 52 and founded their own nation , but that was centuries later, and then all of the Coalitioners and those they had recruited defected from the Corsairs.
The SCRA is not a homogeneous racial or ethnic group like the Coalition was, but rather a gathering of defectors and a very very small percentage directly decended from the original sleepers, all whom hold the values of the Coalition.

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