Current Sirius state of affairs between very unlikely alleys

[Daedric]

Just so ya,know, last person who did,that had,his,balls torn off by HC.

Inb4 jammi

Did what?

Oh, killing transports and stuff. Duh. I even knew y'all don't do that. Derp.

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[AeternusDoleo]

After a lot of searching and asking, I have a difficult time understanding an in-game reason why the IMG, CR, Order, SCRA, Hessians, and now the Council have a solid foundation to have a Role play alliance.

When I mean alliance I mean like alliance. Not a pact, not an agreement, a full blown alliance. Not one on paper or some, here we come to take over, but an alliance none the less. An alliance is an agreement or friendship between two or more parties, made in order to advance common goals and to secure common interests. This is exactly what they have. When combat ensues, they all pair up like Starbuck and Apollo, the 70'€™s version. I want to curse so badly each time I see this.

IMG relations with CR have been heavily allied as long as I've been here. Mainly due to the fact that we share the same enemies, and complement eachother. IMG welcomed CR once Bretonia kicked them out if memory serves, and they've returned the favor by watching over the borderworld miners.

IMG and Hessians are more or less friendly, since they share a common hatred for companies as Daumann and Kruger, which represent an expanding military dictatorship pushing outward. Hessian pressure on Rheinland slows the expansion, which serves the interests of the IMG miners. There is no fullblown alliance between IMG and Hessians.

IMG and Council is a bit of an odd one, forced by the storyline for 4.86 - in which we provide the Council forces who are forced to flee with a new home. I'm not sure that qualifies as an alliance, but it does signify a level of cooperation (IMG will be actively terraforming their new planet for them). No fullblown alliance between IMG and Council.

IMG and SCRA are neutral-ish to eachother, but sometimes cooperate when goals coincide (such as us letting them dock on Falkland for Tauside operations). Again, no alliance.

IMG and Order don't even have any relations as far as I'm aware. Our primary areas of interest do not overlap so we have little contact with eachother.


Hope that clarifies things? Also:

Also, as I see it now, the IMG is not Independent. They are a corporation with a military. They are a nation without a capital, yet. Their status as Independent miners guild should be officially changed. To what? Anything but Independent. I'm thinking, 'Empire' suits them.

Certain CR members would grin at this, but I'm not going to agree with you. An empire is consolidated, IMG operates wide and far, across many regions. Creating a house (Tauside) for the faction would likely cause a lot of problems with Bretonia and the bases there. IMG is a corporation that has a heavy security force, since it pushes outside of the house borders.
Why do you no longer see the IMG as being independent?

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[jammi]

Did what?

Yue Fei shot a civilian transport that told him it was looking at his ship. He was afraid they were going to steal the SCRA's tech specs or something. When the SCRA HC found out, they - as Jeremy said - tore his balls off. That happened about 2 years ago, and is the only incident I know of where a SCRA member fired first on a civilian / corporate target.

EDIT: There ya go.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?s=...st&p=532770

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[arvg]

There have been a few others Jammie.

All of which have been dealt with when they come up.

I think the boys have answered this one quite well. And I will add only one thing.

Nomads/Wilde

Basis for the Order-SCRA Alliance that ultimately collapsed for the very reasons you are belabouring. Ideology.

The Sirius Coalition is a very different beast from the Sol Coalition. Katz's Coalition is very different from McIntosh's Coalition. 800 years softens memories, there are rumours and Lore out there that refers to Sol as nothing more than a myth, and the Coalition became a bed-time story to frighten children.

Let me use a real world example

Cossacks

At one time reviled by their enemies, the very mention causing hatred bile and anger.

Today no one gives the name a second thought. And that was less than one hundred years.

I could go on with say the Angkorians, or the Mongolians... history is riddled with examples of one time enemies that become friends. France, Germany, England... Heck let's point to Russia as a whole.

800 years. 800 years ago John was King of England and had just lost most of France. The Mongols were rampaging.

A lot can change in 800 years.

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[DarthBindo]

Just a quick point.

Why would the CR not ally, or at least work with, those who are fighting their enemies?
Considering we are talking about moderate, democracy loving frenchies that is.
The SCRA and CR relationship is actually pretty easy to imagine. Both have strong governments that are supported by their people, perhaps with some coercion involved. They share many enemies and only rarely have differences in arguments.

Back to the main point.
For the CR 'alliances' (Noting that CR is only allied to the IMG, who supports them economically while CR do the fighting), why would the CR not ally with people?

Don't the CR have a lot of ...well not alliances, but "partnerships"? Like iwth the Corsairs and the Council?

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[Ipuvaepe]

RP? Hah! Factions are their leaders' Tree Forts, dont'cha know?

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[mtjsmith]

After a lot of searching and asking, I have a difficult time understanding an in-game reason why the IMG, CR, Order, SCRA, Hessians, and now the Council have a solid foundation to have a Role play alliance.

You've had Alvin and Joey post here with their views which is 2/3 of the SCRA HC. So you've only got one to go in me!

Basically, the guys have handled this and I stopped reading the rest of your post when you started off with the first sentence.

As far as I can tell - You haven't asked any of us, and if you were searching in the sub-section of our forum then you would have garnered a great deal more information. If you do go and read our lore, our message dumps, our stories and etc then you will learn a great deal more about us. We are not the same as the Sol Coalition.

Our interactions in Sirius are completely within RP, nothing ooc about it.

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[Adam_Spire]

Unfortunately, the length of the SCRA Roleplay only serves to further damage the reasoning for the SCRA'€™s seemeless interaction with any other faction. If the length of the Roleplay was as established as was said it was, the SCRA faction ID with be relativity neutral. You'€™ll notice the ID is a Coalition ID, not SCRA. If this was such a decisive factor, not being the same old Coalition, ithe ID should have changed by now shouldn'€™t it?

Pilot carrying this ID is in the Coalition, who :

Can attack any pirate, terrorist and lawful targets throughout Sirius.
Can demand cardamine or slaves, levy fines and destroy ships if they refuse to comply,
Can destroy any vessel entering Omega 52 in any class of vessel,
Cannot ally with any Sirius factions except: Council, Maquis, Rheinland unlawfuls, The Order,
Cannot trade and cannot escort traders,
Can only engage traders or smugglers who are carrying cardamine, slaves, or entering Omega 52.

The wiki page states: Descendants and recruits of Coalition saboteurs aboard the Hispania, -violently- opposed to almost every faction in Sirius.

This leaves so little room for the SCRA'€™s so called political route, yet it's frightening how quickly RP is established with them as if they were just another trading company. Yet I see Liberty opening trade relations with them? Are you serious?

They are:
Unfriendly to The Order '€“ you say you just ignore them
Unfriendly to the Unioners '€“ Why? Arent you fighting for the common worker?
Allied and friendly to all enemies of the Bretionia and Rheinland government.
AT WAR: House government enforcers
AT WAR: With the Outcasts
Hostile to -Everyone Else-

And finally:

Under his dynamic guidance the Coalition has risen again to a position as a formidable enemy of the former Alliance houses, an economic power-house independent of the corruption that plagues the Sirius Corporations, and a military might that vanquishes its enemies through weight of skill, trumping force of arms each and every time with well thought out tactics and battle tested strategies.

The Revolution draws even closer to a reality.

The Coalition has not changed one bit. Their goal has been the same since the destruction of Sol, only the tactics of how to achieve it have changed. It just blows my mind this is just so easily accepted in Roleplay that the SCRA is '€˜Just trying to help the common man.'€™

And on the flip side, if history changes the structure of a well known faction so radically, why then is Kruger and Daumann, singled out and not given one chance to breath? From a gaming stand point, if all that will happen is the annihilation of Kruger and Daumann, which is the goal, Rhineland as a faction stops as well. Hardly anyone plays Daumann and Kruger is just frustrated from the pin point attacks from pretty much everyone because no one wants to actively play a faction where everyone '€“everyone- attacks them. I haven'€™t seen a single official Bounty Hunter in Rheinland in weeks because who wants to fight anyone who can be a potential threat or find a one on one become a one on six?

Daumann and Kruger are not impeding the mining operations in taus yet when Daumann/Kruger restrict/deny mining rights to a more aggressive IMG, there is this instant agreement between the CR IMG Hessians Mercs and everyone who ever wanted to blow up a Rheinland miner/transport.

To me, this all sounds very one sided or just a bunch of OOC friendships guiding the outcome of what would normally be an impossible alliance of factions.

On another note, No official thread has to be made for a bounty/mercenary contract to exist. There are plenty of in game on the spot merc contracts via pm that avoid a paper trail. So to say a faction has no board posted in no way exonerates them from the in game hiring of a merc to do their dirty work. Which is done, a lot.

If the bottom line is the elimination of every major house to establish all minor factions in their place, would you just get it over with already? That way I can open up trade relations with the Nomads because, after all, they are just misunderstood and not the same aliens who want to wipe out humanity too.

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[SA_Scavenger]

Another weird issue with the SCRA. If most are now made up of Hispanics and other renegade characters from Sirius and not Sol, why do most have Russian and Chinese names? Do they get a name change upon joining?

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[Panzer]

Pisch off and mind your own business.

We'll (That is CR) shoot and ally as it is in our best interest, not as it is supposed to be in somebody's opinion.

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