Ok first off Daedric.
You keep telling me what I missed and what I don't understand.
Bad news there, I do understand the difference between civilian and citizen.
You are arguing here to a wall because I do not disagree with Zoners being able to see that message as civilians within houses, same as I do not disagree by those terms on the Coalition or Colonial Remnant seeing it as civilians within houses.
I do have one question for you though, how did OSI, TAZ and the Omicroners see it if they can not use third party info like you stated?
So you can keep posting these lines but you are still trying to point out a difference where there is none.
Skullz you seem to have a big list of metagamers there, but half of your list you name purely InRP responses.
I believe Bretonia has a right to get their nickers in a knot over the slightest thing if they choose, and in a lot of ways goes with their background.
Arthur asked you to stop spreading around false information due to listing the other IC member as representing IC while I believe he was trying to represent Bretonia, correct me if I am wrong Arthur.
Just because he might be wrong, or lying, or overly hostile does not mean he is metagaming.
I am sorry this did not work out for you, better luck next time.
Anyway, sorry for taking up so much space, I will get out of your thread now.
' Wrote:I do have one question for you though, how did OSI, TAZ and the Omicroners see it if they can not use third party info like you stated?
Read up on OSI. You'll find our headquarters is in a system that is claimed by Liberty (though they have no presence there). As for TAZ and the Omicroners. You'll have to ask them, I don't speak for those factions.
' Wrote:Ok first off Daedric.
You keep telling me what I missed and what I don't understand.
Bad news there, I do understand the difference between civilian and citizen.
You are arguing here to a wall because I do not disagree with Zoners being able to see that message as civilians within houses, same as I do not disagree by those terms on the Coalition or Colonial Remnant seeing it as civilians within houses.
So you can keep posting these lines but you are still trying to point out a difference where there is none.
Skullz you seem to have a big list of metagamers there, but half of your list you name purely InRP responses.
I believe Bretonia has a right to get their nickers in a knot over the slightest thing if they choose, and in a lot of ways goes with their background.
Arthur asked you to stop spreading around false information due to listing the other IC member as representing IC while I believe he was trying to represent Bretonia, correct me if I am wrong Arthur.
Just because he might be wrong, or lying, or overly hostile does not mean he is metagaming.
I am sorry this did not work out for you, better luck next time.
Anyway, sorry for taking up so much space, I will get out of your thread now.
It didn't appear you did from reading your posts. I'm not arguing with a wall. I'm merely voicing my opinion that unlike most of the people posting in this thread; I feel both sides royally screwed up in that Summit thread. Not just Skullz. I pointed out three post where meta-gaming happened, yet those points were ignored and people continue to rail against Skullz.
The difference between the CR an SCRA and Zoners regarding the houses is simple. Zoners have bases inside house space, inside Liberty and inside Bretonia (what Bretonia claims). Zoners even have a seat on Bretonia's legislation. This gives them the ability to see and respond to said message as it was directly aimed at them. The CR and SCRA don't have any bases within house space. They'd have to get the message in passing.
As Skullz has admitted it was aimed at any civilian inside house space (passing or not) I agree that both of those could have seen it and responded.
Skullz. Quit accusing people of meta gaming. I read the entire thread twice (god help me). The only instances of meta gaming were the ones I listed. They were not intentional. They were not done to ruin the thread.
The failure of the summit is directly linked to how Kim Allen went about handling all of it. I don't think it was bad role play. Just role play. I do think that perhaps your OSC CEO dude should have came in and apologized for Kim's miss handling of the situation and taken care of business.
Timho is member of Bretonian Parlament, representing Waterloo station.
He used IC transmission bar, while not being IC employee anymore, which might have caused confusion.
However, twice have David Mahone repeated that only he will speak on behalf Interspace Commerce.
Accusing me of metagaming was the lowest attempt to put a guilt on my roleplay/behaviour, while having absolutely no real grounds for it.
David Mahone announced withdrawal as summit seemed like one big craphole with attitude OSC's employee shown.
How did I metagamed is out of my knowledge, which seems like needing update.
Be my guest on this accusation, but don't drag people through mud without any strong evidence.
I do wish to see OSC. But not with current attitude of employee representing OSC and general behaviour of leader.
Am tired of explaining things and only getting unhappy faces from certain people who I can't understand. As thus I won't comment any further, even in reply to those I want to respond to.
I see that their are a few here who are stuck on a one track mind, cannot read what I put or use common sense.
So you just slandered a person in attempt to insult (?) him and lower his credibility without proper explanation and then refusing to explain it when he asks for it.
Great attitude in avoiding own statements which got a bit less than what valid ones need just so you would not need to accept the fact you made a mistake.
Arrogance. Really. I am tired of repeating it, but maybe you will at least have a shadow of thought that what I write might have at least the slightest piece of truth in it.
For a sceond i was going to re-join OS&C (considering the first one I joined died almost as soon as it was created) however after reading these posts I am appaled my the management structure and feel that whoever (IE: The Employer) should have a look at who he has representing them.
For those who are considering joining and have now decided not to, a question... Which faction would you now wish to join? Namely I ask because I have not seen many active factions who deal with trade as their main cause.
It is not my responsability to enforce someones roleplay. The roleplay I recieved was of two Interspace Commerce Employee's. Neither provided evidence to the contary. And it is the resposnability of the Official faction or the owning player to make sure that their roleplay is correct. So please stop blaming it on me as I can see you can only do that. Grow up, get a life and look at your own responsabilities.
@Jenson
I do not know why you have made a post here. It does not look like feedback, but instead just a loud of ranting. I hope that you use this feedback thread properly in the future.
Otherwise, your post is very vague. You want to give details of what you wish to point out. The only thing I can take from your post is that you are saying you don't like me (RAge) or that you don't like how the Faction info is laid out. If it is the later, then you have not read this thread properly as I am re-formating it all. Aka Rank organisation, and a varity of other things.
' Wrote:I hope that you use this feedback thread properly in the future.
There are several posts here that are proper and on-topic, and have been ignored by yourself. I don't think there is any progress to be made by any faction for ignoring the legitimate feedback they receive. Responding to them in a civilized manner so that constructive conversation can be had, would be the first step towards repairing the faction's reputation and chances of lasting. As it stands, the way OS&C has acted so far, including the ignoring of legitimate feedback, will kill any chance for the faction to live long, not to mention have a chance at officialdom.
Snake, antagonizing and yelling will get no one anywhere. Your post has been made invisible. If you'd like to try it again, with a more civilized and polite approach, please feel free.
How about no, because I did not antagonised the antagoniser. He said I was metagaming. I asked where. He then deflected and talked about "two IC employees" when I asked to prove my "metagaming".
Make it visible again, but feel free to remove what you see as "somethign wrong".
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