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[Skullz]

@Arthur

You did not ask where. You assumed where.
You really want to know. ok.
First , metagaming I thought you metagamed in IC's action not to attend. You can say that it was Kim's attitude, but the attitude that she herself recieved from you was of hostility.
Second, I put down what you have been trying to argue to me, in what you have assumed I meant as metagaming as roleplay I do not understand. I had two characters come to me, both from IC as far as I know and both acted as so. I recognise that one is only repersenting the company, and the other I recognise as only repersenting Waterloo Station in a government capacity of Bretonia. I mention that. In return the roleplay I recieve is of being accused of making up false information. And then you do not like my characters attitude when she replied of saying of, "That only one Interspace employee is coming to the Summit." You response, if I go by why you claim as your reason not to attend the Summit. The facts were, two Interspace employees, one repersenting the company, the other as an MP of Bretonia and interests to Waterloo Station. I tell others as an example. I get told I am making things up, and that only one IC employee is attending. Then in this thread you claim that the latter repersentative is not an employee. No proof was shown in roleplay. The character was roleplayed to what I saw that he was an IC employee. And yet you can't accept it.

Honestly, I do not know what your aim is, other than blame me for anything.

@Dab
You are one of the few that I would lliked to respond to. Your post was very good and informative. I will just simply say now that it is apperant I did not research properly. To the extent that I should have. However I do know what a Duke is. And I also disagree with how your view of how a Parliment works. Lastly it seems to me that you like to make up a party that has never existed, and make a parliment and royalism cooperation that has never been seen in the history of England. But that is my own view based on myself watching the britsih government, and having seen how it works from the inside, as well as historical common knowledge to myself and many other british persons. I decided not to bother to make replies because there were many people whom wish to continue on a one track mind and not accept that I have accepted certain things that I have already owned up to that was wrong, and continue to want to ignore what I have said to them. (A case of the few ruining it for the many. It was not intentional ignorance. I did note down my reasons as to why. But I see that is has been ignored, or not understood by yourself. Prehaps that is my own fault.)

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[Snak5]

Meh. Whatever. It is impossible to properly talk with you.

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[Echo 7-7]

10. Implement a plan on making OSC's own ship line. (LF,VHF and Transports[1000:2500:4000] and maybe HF and/or Gunboat)

Your own line of fighters and transports? And a Gunboat?

You already have a transport. It's called the Luxury Liner.

I really doubt that an essentially inactive faction is going to somehow get their own fighters. Not unless you turned up with amazing models that everyone wants to fly. But if OS&C get their own fighters, then every other man and his dog should get their own fighters. How about getting in the queue behind corporations that actually make ships, hmm?

Getting your own Gunboats is a complete farce, and I don't understand why you suggested it.

In summary: Getting your own ship line is extremely unlikely at this stage. What was your inspiration behind it?

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[jammi]

Skullz, the Bretonian parliament has nothing to do with the current English parliament. I can say that as an English politics student who helped Dab with some of the theory work relating to it. You're right that none of the parties have been seen in England's history: they're not English parties, they're Bretonian ones.

The Royalists loosely translate into the current Conservatives; the Federalists equate to Labour; Greens are Greens, etc. That thing called RP - we're doing it. Bretonia isn't modern day England. It's England at the height of Victorian imperialism, in a sci-fi setting.

In any case, I'd like to apologise for how this thread went. My posts were the ones who turned this place into a witch-hunt, so I'm sorry for that. :/

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[Skullz]

Ok so you are basing it after the Victorian period of England. My own concerns then come to play of the following: No company was actually owned by the government during that period, where it is placed in Bretonia. And that being as it may, that the Victorian period of England is long after the English Civil War.

The economic's of Bretonia looks more loke post WWII Britian, where nationalisation was rapent.

And to finsih my first paragraph, for its second comment. The rank of any Noble held no power as it was already stripped from them by the Government. It is merely a rank of honour, tradition and the portrayal of the Crown. Most commonly the rank of Duch or Duchess, has been since from the English Civil war, given to those whom married to a royal, and have no claim over the thrown.

So from my own observations of Victorian England, and that of Bretonia, neither hold any similarity at all. So it is hard to forsee how Bretonia is based from the Victorian Period.

One cannot be in the House of Commons and the House of Lords, as it would defeat the object of each being completely independant and that the House of Lords holds no preference to the parties that form the government, or be infleunced by the Debates and discussions over Bills that take place with in the House of Commons.

And thank you very much Jammi, that is most appreciated.

@Echo,
If you were which, and I mean very rich, wouldn't you want to show that off! To which my formention statement is valid in Orbital's own lore. (commonly really just in rumours) An the Entreprise Liner is not exclusive to Orbital Spa and Cruise either. It is not made at one of their bases, nor is it stated anywhere that it is for the sole use of OSC either. There are a few other ID's that are permitted to use the Entreprise Liner and is not restricted via the tech chart as it is for all intent's and purpose's rule wise, just a Generic Civilian Liner. So to claim that OSC already has it's own Ship line is un-true.

Also prehaps you have not read the maybe. For which I see that you have assumed not to take in part that it is of an undecided nature.

To finish off Echo, that the idea of having a specific line for OSC is to show its lore wise attitude of showing off. It is not a short term goal, but a long term goal, and was discussed over a period since I started with OSC Factions in December last year (Actively) that it was a long term goal, in reasoning of the Faction itself.

Thank you both for very well writtten posts.

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[jammi]

Ok so you are basing it after the Victorian period of England. My own concerns then come to play of the following: No company was actually owned by the government during that period, where it is placed in Bretonia. And that being as it may, that the Victorian period of England is long after the English Civil War.

The economic's of Bretonia looks more loke post WWII Britian, where nationalisation was rapent.

And to finsih my first paragraph, for its second comment. The rank of any Noble held no power as it was already stripped from them by the Government. It is merely a rank of honour, tradition and the portrayal of the Crown. Most commonly the rank of Duch or Duchess, has been since from the English Civil war, given to those whom married to a royal, and have no claim over the thrown.

So from my own observations of Victorian England, and that of Bretonia, neither hold any similarity at all. So it is hard to forsee how Bretonia is based from the Victorian Period.

One cannot be in the House of Commons and the House of Lords, as it would defeat the object of each being completely independant and that the House of Lords holds no preference to the parties that form the government, or be infleunced by the Debates and discussions over Bills that take place with in the House of Commons.

And thank you very much Jammi, that is most appreciated.

The mentality of the Victorian era more than anything. The politics and power structure can't really be compared to anything else. Bretonia is not any period of history imported into a game - it takes influences though. For example, Bretonia's colonial attitude and diplomacy mirrors that of Victorian England. Things are much more conservative than modern Britain for example, with a fondness for gunboat diplomacy. See our dealings with the Zoners and IMG.

The only exception, like you said, is the corporate nationalisation which bears resemblance to the post-WW2 Labour government's actions. And yes, the House of Lords is supposed to be independent of the wills of the House of Commons. However, in Bretonia the Lords hold more power than the Commons, and the Lords are appointed by the Monarch.

This means the Monarch holds little direct power, but massive amounts of indirect power due to the fact they own the Lords through regal patronage. Lords can also stand for election in Bretonia, so if they're elected they can very well stand in both Houses. The Duke of Norfolk is a popular war hero, so it stands to reason he'd get elected - especially if the Royalists gave him an extremely pro-Royalist safe seat.

The entire political structure of Bretonia is set up to give the Crown as much power as possible. You can't directly compare it to any historical period, but you can take influences and themes. By theme, the closest comparison is Victorian England at the height of the British Empire. Of course, the Victorians didn't have a hyper-powerful monarch and a blatantly subservient political system.

Bretonia is not a fair place. It's an absolute monarchy dressed up as a constitutional one.

EDIT: This is getting way off topic. I'd happily discuss Bretonia's political structure with you on Skype though. :D

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[Echo 7-7]

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To finish off Echo, that the idea of having a specific line for OSC is to show its lore wise attitude of showing off. It is not a short term goal, but a long term goal, and was discussed over a period since I started with OSC Factions in December last year (Actively) that it was a long term goal, in reasoning of the Faction itself.
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Alright, you make a valid point about the Luxury Liner; it is not built solely for OSC. However, I would still very much consider it as OSC's signature ship. Assuming the wiki pages are up to date (and I think they are in this case) only OSC and Planetform are the corporations with access to Luxury Liners. The only other ID with open access to Liners is the Researcher ID, and there can't be too many of those around, right? Suffice to say, DSE would make Luxury Liners to-order for OSC and the very few other parties who want to buy one. Ageira's own Luxury Liner, for example, was originally purchased from OSC if I remember correctly.

However, as you have said, OSC don't even manufacture their own Liners. Therefore, isn't it a bit unreasonable for you to develop your own fighter line? In terms of RP, wouldn't the existing Civilian line be sufficient? Luxury Liners themselves are already very opulent craft, and OSC would have all their security ships upgraded with all the latest components that money can buy. This is in contrast to, for example, the Xenos, whose Eagles are likely to be older and constantly have to be repaired with whatever is at hand.

Also, in case it wasn't clear, the reason I was incredulous about the idea of an OSC Gunboat is that no corporation can even use a Gunboat, in terms of ID. There is a possibility of this changing in 4.86, and still then I maintain the same argument as for the fighter line - that you would buy the best from other sources, rather than devoting resources to an area which is not OSC's specialty.

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[Skullz]

Thank you for our nice chat Jammi. I would say overall Bretonia is more to the mentality of Britian from 12th to 16th Centuries, with it's power base more aligned towards Britian before the English Civil War.

@Echo,
One can say that it is of due course that one would not produce something that is not their speciality, but however that arguement is fairly flawed as a few Factions (Player Factions) have gained their own lines where there was none in lore (lore of Single player and/or before their ship line was placed in). One is Hogosha, Kusari's Junkers, another is of the Gas Mining Guild (As far as I remember from Single player) and a few others. So in fact to argue what you have just commented on, is in itself wrong. Namely because it has been allowed for others, unless you wish to have double standards with in the general gaming community. Which I am ashamed to say is what you are sounding like, in that of the manner being that other factions have had their own ship lines put in place when you argue that another should not be allowed to do so.

It is also viable to say that a company, of which is one of the richest in Sirius would make some of their own vessels. And none of the current civilian designs are designed just purely for show. Also the CTE- line of ships are bog standard ships, with little extras. I wouldn't go to a car show room to buy a bog standard, boring Saloon car. A rich company will go straight for a Luxury Saloon that is purpose built.

And lastly, about the Gunboat, in terms of ID you are likely to be extremely correct. But it still remains a maybe. Being in that it may or not may be decided upon when the time comes. Being that of becoming Official and being Official for a good lengh of time. Which if you are observant enough to recognise a long term goal and realise how long it is yet that .86 will be released, the idea is a fairly long term goal, say around for one to three years in the future. So I find little reason of why that it is such a issue at this time, as it is an issue to be discussed further in the future, than that of an arguement that is revelant to the current time we are at now.

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[Skullz]

As it has been shown that a member, being Quantum Psychosis, has left discovery for the time being, it leaves White Spa Lines open if anyone would wish to take that part of OS&C|. If you would like to join OS&C| to run White Spa Lines please contact me via skype or forum PM. Also if you are interested in being part of White Spa Lines please contact me in the same way.

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