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[P*Funk]

Unfortunately (or not) we are where we are. Working out the consequences of such a change makes it very difficult to see how discovery would be recognisable.

I think thats the key issue. This is Discovery and we have a community built on the current paradigm. Make such a fundamental change to the game and you risk alienating the distinctive flair of Discovery which is so attractive.

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[RingoW]

1. I have an idea for effecting maintenance costs:

Implement a small radiation in all systems, which will slow but constantly damage your ship and equipment.
Must be balanced well to avoid noob wipes, when they start with a Starflier.

2. Make the high profit runs less profitable and the low profit runs mor profitable. This will make players to follow their RP a bit more i guess.
I always start to become depressive, when making my Poisened Trash or Scrap run to Dortmund station, but i'm an ALG Trader, so i will not make high profit runs very often.

Respectful
AoM

[Carlos_Benitez]

Ugh. Ive worked hard over the last 6 months to get enough cash to run our clan well, get a battleship and save up towards a home system. Its still a work in progress, and ive spent far too much of my limited time on disco doing mindnumbing routes at, in my view, the detrement of our clan. This time could have been spent training members, taxing, being in-role.
Since the new mod release, its become even more difficult to accumulate the cash we need. My newly created smuggler character is next to useless, as we don't have a smuggling route that compares to the milkrun that everyone else does. Smuggling is not profitable, even though it ought to be more profitable than legal trading. (per unit)

I think you have to take into account that only a very small number of players on this server trade because they want to. Most do it because they have to. Reducing profits and increasing time to accumulate a reasonable amount of cash is only going to infuriate this group.
The time it takes to accumulate a reasonable amount of cash is already greater than most other servers and mods I have played. If you make this any more of an uphill struggle, this server WILL lose members because they don't see the point in committing so much of their time doing a repetitive task to accomplish reasonable goals.

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[Igiss]

My newly created smuggler character is next to useless, as we don't have a smuggling route that compares to the milkrun that everyone else does. Smuggling is not profitable, even though it ought to be more profitable than legal trading. (per unit)

The artifact route to Manhattan was already made more profitable than before. I realize that Corsair alliance has less goods to smuggle (will address than in next version), but how can you say that there's nothing?

Profits were not reduced. Longer, and more challenging, trade routes got more profitable than they were in previous version. It's true that many mid-range and low-range routes were removed or received a profitability reduction, but that's how it's meant to be.

Dynamic economy will not be implemented for Discovery.

[bluntpencil2001]

Yeah, the artifact runs are decent. Artifacts from Crete to Manhattan, Counterfeit Software to Cambridge, Food to Crete is a good RP run that makes a fair profit.

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[El Nino]

(there is no vote yet) but i vote on keeping things the way they are, perhaps increasing cargo holds on some trains, let's say a large train has 6 cargo pods, then it should have 6000 units of cargo...

An alternative solution to over-trading, would be to make some even higher paying missions, let's say 5M a mission, slay a battleship group kind of thing, that would give non-trading groups something to do. Or perhaps, make fighters cruise engines faster than the traders, so pirating would be easier and income can be generated by pirating...

Smuggling should be more profitable, let's say twice as profitable as trading. That way smugling could be profitable even with tiny ships and LSF would have something to do, rather than drink coffe and eat buritos on trenton outpost...;)

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[Mr_3ppozz]

The higher payment for missions was not possible, this is something ive seen Igiss mention a couple of times.

I choose to trade, and i love it. I have 2 standard long-range runs, both equal in danger when someone even attempts to pirate you. I make 20+ mill per full run, and on a good day that takes a little under 20 minutes to complete. Its a long run, and wont squeeze out the best of the best Cash Per Second that you can make. I have more then enough credits stacked up to buy 2 Bs's with License and all, but thats not my goal. I trade for fun, the credits are just a second grade benifit to me. Sure i like the big numbers on my bank-account, but since its useless credits i dont mind it too much.

Ive seen more then enough people in traders on a day-to-day basis, these guys should be recruited (if they havent been allready) into a faction. They function as a steady influx of credits, when you add it up you can make around 120/150 mil credits a day, with about 2/3 traders. With the real trade-addicts it goes a bit different most real addicts can run around making 200/300 mil a day. You shouldnt be trading your butt off alone, especially in a faction. Get one Adv train, let it make at least 1 run a day. That way you can give all new recruits enough creds to buy a decent sized transport for themselfs. If you really are in need of credits, then organize a few convoy's with escorts. First, it looks good, second its good for your overall wallet, third its all for RP.

There are more ways to earn credits then just trade yourself. Do it in a group and have some fun. My most funniest Sirius Moment happened in my Traders.

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[DodgeRam]

Maybe it's an idea to "supply" your characters (or faction) with for example fuel, food rations, engine components, etc. (It is already in use on an other FL server and i think it works well. The only thing is that they have it only for the servers factions)

You transport the goods to your "home base or planet" and the total ammount is recorded, every day/week/month you run your characters you have to pay a certain ammount of those goods. When characters for example go in deep red for more than a month or so(negative balance) delete them.
This way people have to use their traders not only for making money, also for running their characters. And how bigger the ship is the more supply they need.
It is also a RP thing. Transport factions can be hired to get those supply's, pirate factions can attack those to get the supply's on their RP way. Escorts will be needed more, so are police and military factions to make systems safe.

Make it a level 30+ thing, so the new people on the server will only have to concentrate on making money untill they reach the 30+ level
I dont know if it is possible to hook this to accounts, but recording your money and kills per character is already done.

[Aaronny]

I did'nt read all the post, but just to say the current trading are just fine, i don't really think it's fast money because gotta take in consideration the pirates and all the other stuff that can prevent you from reaching your destination safely, etc...anyway all that to say the current trading is just OK

[El Nino]

How about increasing the value of cargo, so that there will be biger risks involved, while keeping profit the same? Let's say MOX for example.. can be bought for 84$ a unit and sold then for 672$, if the price would be let's say 1084$ and 1672$ the prices would be the same, but if you encounter a pirate, you would be very much more likeley to pay than lose twice your profit for getting blown up... as it stands now you loose a painful 84$ a unit, even on an advanced train that's not much...

It would really make your cargo much more important and when you run at a larger risk it makes the game much more fun;)...

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