The Kusari Exiles

[Zelot]

To be clear, as a person, out of rp, I very much respect this faction. it has so much wonderful potential. I've just got done a research stint on north korea, and am pretty well steeped in the many ways a nation will say 'f you' to even aidworkers when its people are starving and dieing, blind and crippled, because they hate them.

Soo...I've the feeling that the Bretonians are going to not care so much about how awesome your pilots are. And I really, really don't buy the argument that they're going to take help just because they need it. Sadly, Nationalizm and hate is much stronger than that.

Except Uns, that is what is happening, the storyline says they take the help, they want the help, whether you think it makes sense or not, it is what the storyline says, and what we should be striving to play out.

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[Pinko]

I thought that if something was written as "Has already happened", like this treaty, you could just roll with it and not have to do anything about it? Even if one side would sign a treaty with the other, it'd only be an /update/ of the original treaty, which I'm pretty sure is pretty much nothing more than something like "OMG GALLICS ARE SHOOTING, STOP SHOOT AND HALP", which lets the Ronin assist Bretonia against the Gallics at all cost, no matter what.

Anything else would just be an update of the actual treaty.

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[Unseelie]

I'd argue that what we're trying to do here is come up with some more background RP about why it plays out as the storyline says it does.

I'm really serious. Can we have Liberty (or even Rhienland, maybe even the Kishiro Kusari gov) tap the queen's shoulder and say "now, dear, you can't commit any war crimes on those poor blokes"?

then we can have a treaty. One arbitered by whichever power is holding our hand at bay, saying that X are the terms and we cannot commit genocide, no matter how much we want to.

Even though this will miff the bret players even more than now, you might even consider the need to retcon the lore to say its already happened.

There is a group of people who play the queen (and once it was me :ylove:) and I rather feel as though they've had their character given a decision that they had little say in..when you volunteered Kogen for this role...

The lore is there, yes. But pointing to it as your justification is only miffing the people you want to play nice with.

Personally, I wish a treaty had been made on the 29th, as workup to the changeover..but eeeh.

Also, I do think Kogen and his military should consider themselves a state, and get themselves recognized as such by liberty, Rhienland, and Bretonia..not as...well, you most recently said that they were not a nation. what are they, then?

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[Jim.Solo]

Except Uns, that is what is happening, the storyline says they take the help, they want the help, whether you think it makes sense or not, it is what the storyline says, and what we should be striving to play out.

I'm with the BMM guy in the bar on Stokes "I can't belive they've but a KNF ship outside to protect us!"

That's it; I can't say anymore, I don't have access to the story line. :wacko:

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[Zelot]

There is a group of people who play the queen (and once it was me :ylove:) and I rather feel as though they've had their character given a decision that they had little say in..when you volunteered Kogen for this role...

The lore is there, yes. But pointing to it as your justification is only miffing the people you want to play nice with.

There is a bit of a difference, those who took the character of the Queen took a character that was basicly created by DA. You took someone else s character. Kogen, and the Kusari Emperor were completely new characters, created in every way by me. You chose to take a storyline character, I offered my non storyline character up to the storyline. Thats said, it doesnt mean Bretonian players are going to like it, or that it is not being forced on them any less than storyline changes are forced on any of us. Thats what a storyline is. So no, a retcon is not nessessary because Bretonian players feel thier characters have not gotten their pound of flesh out of the Kusari.

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[Zelot]

Also, I do think Kogen and his military should consider themselves a state, and get themselves recognized as such by liberty, Rhienland, and Bretonia..not as...well, you most recently said that they were not a nation. what are they, then?

They arent a nation, they are Exiles, which by definition means away from thier own nation.

Exile means to be away from one's home (i.e. city, state or country), while either being explicitly refused permission to return and/or being threatened with imprisonment or death upon return.

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[Corleonesgwg]

I will play ronin in Zealot's faction (lol if they want me) or as an indie. But if there will be any kind of overly restrictive player-driven treaty between BAF and [Ronin], I will prefer indie, ignore that treaty and play within borders of my ID and official lore. Because to be honest I am PvP guy and I like the idea of having fun against GRN ships which I haven't chance to have yet... and if all what BAF boys want is lolwut pew pew than all you have to do lads is type /s engabagung and open fire at me. But since we are on the RP server, make sure you are red to our NPC battleships if fight happend to be somewhere near them ;-)

[Friday]

Also, I do think Kogen and his military should consider themselves a state, and get themselves recognized as such by liberty, Rhienland, and Bretonia..not as...well, you most recently said that they were not a nation. what are they, then?

Not necessarily as a state - more like a "Government in Exile". Being recognised by other Houses would be a clear political objective of the Ronin, as it is for any political exile.

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[Pinko]

Question, are the Exiles are form of Government-in-Exile? Do they expect to return to power once this is over?

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[Zelot]

Question, are the Exiles are form of Government-in-Exile? Do they expect to return to power once this is over?

That is Kogens long term goal. But not to return as conquerors, but to be called back by the Kusari people as heroes after they help defeat the Gallics.

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