Quote:What makes the Corsairs the good guys in sirius, when no one is?
:lol:
Good guys?
I don't think anyone is suggesting for a moment that Corsairs are 'good guys' by any stretch of the imagination.
I think what might be getting suggested is that from a moral standpoint, they are superior to the Coalition.
Piracy from need rather then want. Corsairs have some limited resources and one export which the rest of Sirius see as contraband. The contraband in question does no harm (as they have been checked and declared 'dead') and so it begs the question, where did it all go wrong?
The Coalition on the other hand admit that they are the reason a large chunk of humanity were forced to flee to Sirius. Why such a large chunk of humanity were forced to leave their homeworld and became dispossesed. Why they cannot return (currently). They are responsible for sabotaging sleeper ships, doing everything they could to kill as many of the current inhabitants of Sirius as possible. Not workers. Not military. EVERYONE.
Approximately four or so years ago, the SCRA was run by a
Quote:an allegedly insane, mass murdering Bretonian defector
who
Quote:proceeded to wage war on the capitalist pigs of the Alliance with an absolute lack of mercy.
For the last line read 'everyone else'.
All this information is available in your history document. I am aware it says 'outdated' but clearly, the history part is true because it's 'history' which is automatically 'outdated' by default.
Anyway, theres plenty more 'gems' in there if you care to look.
The Coalition that exists now is clearly a terrorist organisation attacking the heart and soul of various houses. Killing police and military targets isn't going to make you popular. Those sailors have mothers/wifes/children you know.
Communist, socialist?
Do you think the 'people' really care when you represent the Coalition that is responsible for the exodus?
The single most important historical date in the lives of all Sirians?
Do they 'respect' you for killing their sons or daughters, husbands or wifes?
Do they give a damn about your social/politcal aspirations while you are shooting them?
It doesn't matter how you dress it up does it?
Anyway, I thought this thread was about ID's which to be fair, I thought Mr Lens answered rather well a few pages ago.
Blubba, does an honest trade hauler captain's wife care that some one may be starving on crete?
No.
Does that farmer on crete care that the food he's eating was ripped forcefully from an honest hard working trade hauler crew, deep in some backwater system?
No.
Does the SCRA care that there are pirates out there killing non-combatants and causing grief to there familes?
Yes.
Can the Coalition offer a better life for the corsair people on JinagXi then a dead ball like Crete?
' Wrote:The problem being - you demand and then take by force from non-combatants, because you feel your society is more deserving, and are convinced of that fact. If you met a freighter captain barely making ends meet, no doubt his struggling doesn't mean a damn to you - and widowing his wife and orphaning his kids would make a corsair laugh. So yeah, i see a problem with that.
We don't pirate because we feel we deserve more, we pirate because we need to do it and because, like Blubba said, our exports have been declared contraband for reasons that elude me.
' Wrote:As for the SCRA - the point of our RP is that while we believe our goals are noble, we go about it in twisted ways. It's unfortunate, but it reinforces that there is no good guys in sirius - and in war, no side is just, because war makes monsters of everyone.
As for "killing for sport" - that sounds like your speaking from a corsair perspective again. Were a military at war with military targets. That includes the corsairs, who are, in essence, a military\warrior society.
We do not, and will not shoot people who aren't military targets.
I'll admit looking at things from rose-tinted faction glasses, but only if you will.
A Ptrans full of artifacts is a military target? How about a BWT or pirate train? Not all the Corsairs are "pirates and murderers". If you only want to shot military targets shoot the combat ships only. How is an artifact hauler any different than a Daumann train? It's pilot works for a living, just like all the other traders in Sirius
' Wrote:The corsairs may have begun as a nation of starving orphans - but thats not what they are now - they are brutal, selfish, racist warrior society, completely unconcerned with anyone but themselves.
If given the option of ruling Rheinland, I have no doubt they would do so, only because they would see themselves as better rulers then the inherent rheinland government - at which point Stuttgart would have the majority of its food sent to crete, and the rheinland working class given over to make corsair tools of war, so as to keep there gains.
So no, I dont buy the "poor abused starving orphans" act for a minute, and no matter how many times you try to sell that particular lame story, it doesn't get any more true.
*shrug* most likely - not the argument im trying to make. I'm explaining why the corsairs are a self-centered, savage, racist society full of murderers and people who take by force.
You are refusing to understand out point of view since I already told you 3 times we do not want to rule anything. The Corsairs have no ambitions or need of Ruling Rheinland, Bretonia, or anything else but our own Empire. Get your head around that already, please. We are the ones invaded by everyone and their monthers, not the other way around. Gamma is raided daily and yet you see no Legates in O52, or New London/New Berlin (except for the occasional lolwuts)
' Wrote:As opposed to a government whose goal is to destroy the current accepted governments, and build anew in there own vision of what they feel is right - does that mean it will be? I doubt it.
Oh yeah, and as for the tech argument - I hear lots of corsairs saying they should have hogosha raba's.
The Raba started as a Corsair ship and we see it as a Corsair ship since it makes a lot more sense to fly it than the Rogue/Molly Ptrans. Finally the devs understood it and the ship is now a green cell to the Corsair ID (no power nerf)
' Wrote:That's not because our stuff is good but because of our RP.
' Wrote:True.
Anyone who has ever flown a titan with 4.00 600m's guns knows this:)
Stop talking nonsense. The Titan is an awesome, all rounded ship that can be used for any circumstance. It has an extremely big power core, high hull, and a really good shape which makes it incredibly easy to dodge with, even when you have 4 people on you. It is also quite fast for its hull.
The Salamancas are also good weapons, despite their low speed. Your guns got nerfed in 4.86, yes. Put on 2 Salamancas and 4 Codenames if you want your old efficiency back and stop complaining. I am getting tired of people complaining about Corsair technology balance, mostly the Titan, when they have no idea how to fly it so they fly it like its a freaking gunboat.
' Wrote:We are the ones invaded by everyone and their monthers, not the other way around. Gamma is raided daily and yet you see no Legates in O52, or New London/New Berlin (except for the occasional lolwuts)
Do you notice your hypocrisy? The Corsair factions arent raiding because they are inactive. 8 months ago you had no problem taking 5 Sails and 4 Osirises with you and raiding Dublin and Omicron Alpha 5 times a week. How can you openly switch opinions however it suits you, and be a hypocrite, just to get your way? You disgust me.
Quote:our exports have been declared contraband for reasons that elude me.
I'd say that potentially blowing up the entire Universe and several dimensions we may not even be aware of by toying around with a trinklet is reason enough.
' Wrote:You are refusing to understand out point of view since I already told you 3 times we do not want to rule anything. The Corsairs have no ambitions or need of Ruling Rheinland, Bretonia, or anything else but our own Empire. Get your head around that already, please. We are the ones invaded by everyone and their monthers, not the other way around. Gamma is raided daily and yet you see no Legates in O52, or New London/New Berlin (except for the occasional lolwuts)
Perhaps, but I don't believe that. Its a basic principal of human nature that those who find they can get whatever they want, will inevitably want more. You've already said that you have eyes for Cambridge and Stuttgart, and its accepted lore that the Corsairs are pushing further and further out from Gamma.
Face it, your imperialistic. I have no doubt that should you suddenly have everything you need, you will find other things that your lacking, and then take those by force.
As for invading O52 - our system is full of hostile npc's, it was pretty rough place to send a cap in. It still happens tho, but not as much as it does in Gamma, so i'll give you that point.
' Wrote:A Ptrans full of artifacts is a military target? How about a BWT or pirate train? Not all the Corsairs are "pirates and murderers". If you only want to shot military targets shoot the combat ships only. How is an artifact hauler any different than a Daumann train? It's pilot works for a living, just like all the other traders in Sirius
Before this new ID, we were restricted (contentedly) to stopping Cardimine and Slaves, which I'm sure you'll agree, is detrimental to Sirius - a slaver or a drug dealer is not a military target, but eliminating there cargo, or themselves if they refuse to drop it, is a fundamentally positive thing. No slaver or drug dealer is "just an honest hard working joe"
Now, a ptrans full of artifacts isnt a huge deal. I'll admit it. Destroying those only hurts the economy of the Corsair's, which is beneficial to our war effort, but it also hurts the people, who, believe it or not, we do actually care about. I view it in the same way as I view dropping an atomic bomb on a civilian population center - by hurting the civilian populace of a nation, you invariably damage its ability to make war. But, it's killing a whole lot of innocent folks.
Truth being, whether or not we do start gunning for artifact haulers, I dont really feel like we need too. And assuming we do, and it becomes part of our MO, doesnt mean I'm gonna start headhunting ptrans in a Storm, just for a blue message.
Neither myself, or my character, see's it as necessary. What I do see as necessary is flying into gamma, trying to talk some corsairs onto our side, get the same old "no, die commie" and then getting ganked by a dozen legate's\ossie's.
' Wrote:Stop talking nonsense. The Titan is an awesome, all rounded ship that can be used for any circumstance. It has an extremely big power core, high hull, and a really good shape which makes it incredibly easy to dodge with, even when you have 4 people on you. It is also quite fast for its hull.
The Salamancas are also good weapons, despite their low speed. Your guns got nerfed in 4.86, yes. Put on 2 Salamancas and 4 Codenames if you want your old efficiency back and stop complaining. I am getting tired of people complaining about the Corsair technology balance, mostly the Titan, when they have no idea how to fly it so they fly it like its a freaking gunboat.
I agree but unfortunately not everyone is a pvp-whoar. The Titan is an amazing ship that excels at what is was built for: piracy. That's what most people forget when they wanna beat the smaller and faster ships. The Titan was not built for PvP but for raping transports and if people would start using it that way you wouldn't see so much Q_Q. The 'sair problems are somewhere else, around the guns and the Centurion HF but i don't think this is the place to talk about it.
The Corsair problems lie in you, and people like you, because of the very reason I mentioned in my earlier post.
' Wrote:Do you notice your hypocrisy? The Corsair factions arent raiding because they are inactive. 8 months ago you had no problem taking 5 Sails and 4 Osirises with you and raiding Dublin and Omicron Alpha 5 times a week. How can you openly switch opinions however it suits you, and be a hypocrite, just to get your way? You disgust me.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've gotten tired of reading your posts that are full of lies and self interest. I didnt even get to read all of them and Im already sick. *poofs*
' Wrote:Perhaps, but I don't believe that. Its a basic principal of human nature that those who find they can get whatever they want, will inevitably want more. You've already said that you have eyes for Cambridge and Stuttgart, and its accepted lore that the Corsairs are pushing further and further out from Gamma.
Face it, your imperialistic. I have no doubt that should you suddenly have everything you need, you will find other things that your lacking, and then take those by force.
Ok, one more time: we do not pirate because we want to get rich (like the Outcasts and Cardamine) we pirate because we want to get enough to survive and defend ourselves from all the people wanting us dead (SCRA, Hessians, Mollys, Bounty Hunters, bretonians, rheinlanders, IMG, etc). We don't do it for personal gain but for our nation's survival. Why is that so hard to understand?
No, we are not imperialistic. I said it earlier, we were there first so you're the invaders, not us
The Outcasts don't pirate to get rich, in fact, I think the infocards mentioning Outcast piracy mentions it more as a sport than anything else.
The Outcasts aren't pro-active and eager to fight, they,re trying to take over Sirius through alternative means by drugging everybody with Cardamine, as an example, since they consider violence to be something above them. They seem to despise using force.
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