Outcast x Corsair equipment and ship balance

[McNeo]

And, if your gonna start about Outcast guns and ships, well, we need those. Since the Corsairs outnumber us in every battle. Most of the time more than 1:2.

So would you, at a stroke, nerf the kracken and your other ships if everyone were Outcasts and not Corsairs? Why do I think ... no?

On the topic of Outcast guns eating energy, Im looking at the Del Cids right now.

Hell, I even heard that one of the TBH was using debilitators instead of cid's on their centurion because the pilot prefered them. Is that supposed to happen?

[Exile]

So would you, at a stroke, nerf the kracken and your other ships if everyone were Outcasts and not Corsairs? Why do I think ... no?

On the topic of Outcast guns eating energy, Im looking at the Del Cids right now.

Hell, I even heard that one of the TBH was using debilitators instead of cid's on their centurion because the pilot prefered them. Is that supposed to happen?

1. There's nothing wrong with our ships. The only thing thats actually better than yours is the Sabre, if you ask me.

2. No Connor, such a thing is called OORP. Its allmost as bad as an Outcast using the Del cids.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Look, compare this balance issue to the BAF to KNF balance.

Generally, I prefer the KNF ships stat-wise, but I make an effort to destroy them in creative ways, instead of repeatedly bemoaning a so-called 'lack of balance' and 'sad state of affairs'.

Perhaps you can make up for this apparent weight towards the Outcast with some creativity?

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[mjolnir]

Look, if you want the toys of the Outcast, go join them. Same go's for the toys of the Corsairs.

Right problem now is.... if you want the toys of 90% of all sirius pirates join the Outcasts. If you want only Corsair toys.. join the Corsairs.

As soon as Outcasts start using only outcasts ships/guns it would work. Same goes the other way as well.... pirate factions on the outcast side using Krakens/Infernos. (I met BDs with 6 Krakens recently)

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For the record.. I have one lvl 8 Kraken on my LH... simply because there are no lvl 8 Lane Hacker guns.

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[McNeo]

Civilian guns are open to all, yes? Or not? That isn't ooRP, its just silly. No one should prefer Debs over Cid's, ever, unless they have a real problem aiming 600 m/s guns.

And yes Mike, the Outcasts have a lot more thats better than the corsairs.

And no, we dont make up for it with creativity when we heavily influence the loadouts of our own people, which is, encourage them to use lots of salamanca's.

The disparity between the KNF and the BAF is a lot smaller. The Sunrail and the Splitter are both decent guns, along with a very good neutron cannon, the Disinfector and the pretty OK proton cannon, the sunfrenzy. The only large difference is the sizes between the Templar and the Chimaera. So, you counter with Hussars. Great. Our Decurion turns the same as a Centurion, which is slower still than the Sabre, albeit not by much. So, no counter there.

And this "apparent weight" is actually real weight. Measure one persons performance in a titan with a Corsair loadout, and then measure that same persons perfromance in a sabre with an Outcast loadout. I think you may see a correllation with what im talking about here.

[Exile]

@ Mjolnir.
"As soon as Outcasts start using only outcasts ships/guns it would work."
Unless you want to yell at every single Outcast out there who has "foreign" tech on him, it wont work. The factionized Outcast can be controld. 101st/202nd are all pure Outcast. I belive the RoS allow some foreign tech. But you cant control the independant.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Dont use Titans then. You have other ships. Or don't use a standard loadout. Use something off-the-wall. Try missiles or something. You have the Arwing for instance, too.

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[Othman]

Blunt has a good point. Less moaning, more thinking. Yet, I will also need to second Neo about the decurion. I haven't tested that myself but I trust what Neo says about that. If that thing is turning like a cent then well it should be revised and tweaked to a decent level.

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[McNeo]

We manage fine for the most part Exile, the trick is you have to encourage them to buy a, in my case, Titan, because you say this

"Why are you flying that peice of junk? The Titan is the pinacle of Corsair engineering and is one of the best fighters in all of Sirius. Any true Corsair would choose it over any other ship"

Which is what we say to Corsairs who dont have a Titan. With the wieght that the 101st carry on the server, it shouldn't be too hard to do this on your side.

Think about it. Why do most of the independants we have use Corsair ships? Because we tell them to, thats why.

About the Arwing. It turns like the Decurion, but most importantly, doesn't look Corsair in the slightest. I love ArWings, Lylat wars is still one of my Fav games, but it does not fit with the Corsair looks and we dont use them. Even if we did, it would be like using a Decurion, which is useless.

Missiles, I use them to on some other characters, and they are very useful, Yet, I dont want to instakill myself with a cannonball thanks. Its easy to render one of your gun slots useless if your enemy has a CD...

[bluntpencil2001]

Blunt has a good point. Less moaning, more thinking. Yet, I will also need to second Neo about the decurion. I haven't tested that myself but I trust what Neo says about that. If that thing is turning like a cent then well it should be revised and tweaked to a decent level.

I do agree on this one. The Decurion isn't very good, but the Arwing is apparently a Corsair MkII LF, and it is bloody hard to hit.

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