So, let's begin.Revolution, you know this word?
This is when regular people overthrow the power to change the mode of government. Their discontent is growing, when no one can hear themselves and try to change the country's leadership for the better, in their opinion.Now, the Communists in the game should first take care not about the so-called civil, and above all, take care of the workers belonging.So their goal any citizens of any homes that are under the oppression of the government.I suggest that many people who do not have a clue what I'm talking, some reading about the difference between socialism, communism and capitalism.Now, about the game.SCRA - it is pathetic to protect citizens in the game adjacent to homes exploiters. They take the path of opportunists, adhering to the government and to break with the workers.
First of all - this is a monarchy. This is the most hostile to the government for the Communists, no matter in what form and how it is called. Because they will not be elected president and the government is a bourgeois. That means it is devoid of direct democracy. This also applies to the empire - Kusari. On - is Rheinland and Liberty, which is a bourgeois dictatorship, ruled by corporations and capital. That destroy the hard work of ordinary citizens and the lack of direct democracy. In these houses led dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, where the average worker can not go to the government just like that, without any money. This means that the interests of the working class representation.Therefore, manifest enemies below. The first - the most vicious enemy of revolutionaries, lower - less hostile. But this did not mean that they should be friends with them. You can not be friends with someone who forgot about the workers.
So hostile regimes in descending order:
1.Gallia (monarchy) - suppression of any democratic \ social foundations. unelected power.
2.Kusary (Empire) - the bourgeois government. monarchy, unelected power.
3.Breton (monarchy) - monarchy, unelected power, the dictatorship of capital and corporations.
4.Liberty (bourgeois republic) - imperialism is the highest stage. Dictatorship of capital, transnational oligarchy, lack of social protection of ordinary workers.
5.Rheinland (bourgeois republic) - bourgeois republic, a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the lack of social stability and the suppression of labor movements.
6.Outcasts (Drug dealers) - slavery, drug trafficking, which are very harmful to the working class.
7.Corsairs (feudal state) - the lack of direct suffrage militarized policy that harms workers. The lack of direct suffrage.
Conclusion:Communists may be one of the sides in the war, but then they lose the status of the revolutionaries. A revolution is done for the overthrow of the government, and the Communists to power at the same time, and the revolution has no meaning, because it will not change anything. People still continue to kill each other under various slogans of bourgeois government that does not care about them at all.So taking the side of Bretonia, against Gaul - is against the logic of Communist Revolutionaries. It is the policy of communist opportunists who do not pursue their true goal - the liberation of the working people and the establishment of direct democracy in any of the houses of Sirius.Those communists who take the side of liberty \ Breton against criminals - are only part of the war machine and the government broke with the working class. Because pirate, often - a man destitute and forced to rob in order to survive.
Im talking only about revolution communistic movement.
(11-27-2012, 12:59 AM)Reptile Wrote: So taking the side of Bretonia, against Gaul - is against the logic of Communist Revolutionaries. It is the policy of communist opportunists who do not pursue their true goal - the liberation of the working people and the establishment of direct democracy in any of the houses of Sirius.Those communists who take the side of liberty \ Breton against criminals
So Let me get this in a short form. You dont like that the SCRA Attacked the GRN in Leeds today and think we're allied with the Bretons? No, we're not. There is however a Non Aggression Pact in place between the SCRA and the BAF.
You missed that Kusari is now more or less democratic republic with elections (since 4.86). Kusari emperor is stuck in Leeds with few loyals (= Exiles).
(11-27-2012, 01:04 AM)Jeremy Hunter Wrote: What's the point?
(11-27-2012, 12:59 AM)Reptile Wrote: So taking the side of Bretonia, against Gaul - is against the logic of Communist Revolutionaries. It is the policy of communist opportunists who do not pursue their true goal - the liberation of the working people and the establishment of direct democracy in any of the houses of Sirius.Those communists who take the side of liberty \ Breton against criminals
So Let me get this in a short form. You dont like that the SCRA Attacked the GRN in Leeds today and think we're allied with the Bretons? No, we're not. There is however a Non Aggression Pact in place between the SCRA and the BAF.
He's complaining about a fighter and a bomber shooting GRN?
Well, I've been complained at for smaller things. So I'm not really surprised.
(11-27-2012, 12:59 AM)Reptile Wrote: So taking the side of Bretonia, against Gaul - is against the logic of Communist Revolutionaries. It is the policy of communist opportunists who do not pursue their true goal - the liberation of the working people and the establishment of direct democracy in any of the houses of Sirius.
I read the whole thing. Not sure why.
The above quote is the crux of what you're saying. But if that were true, then why did Stalin side with the US and Britain against Hitler? Because Hitler was the greater threat. Essentially it's more or less the same thing here.
Out of character, I'm all for the SCRA having a NAP with Bretonia while the Gallic war is on. This gives their RP and diplomacy a bit more depth, and is sensible since kill-everything factions are silly and a tiny group like the SCRA can't realistically hope to fight everyone anyways. It's an agreement that makes sense for both sides, and there's nothing wrong with that. Historically, successful revolutionaries have come to the same conclusion as well.
That if you want pew pew in normal roleplay - do other chars.
Revolutioners which taking Monarchy side - is bad role.
Fighters of workers from far system,going in other system,to join side of monarchy with worker slogans.
Sorry,but this is stupid RP.
I can beleave about CR,Council, Mollys and other,but not SCRA.
SCRA have no job here.And if they want shot - they must shot first of all - police and military of every house.
(11-27-2012, 12:59 AM)Reptile Wrote: So taking the side of Bretonia, against Gaul - is against the logic of Communist Revolutionaries. It is the policy of communist opportunists who do not pursue their true goal - the liberation of the working people and the establishment of direct democracy in any of the houses of Sirius.
I read the whole thing. Not sure why.
The above quote is the crux of what you're saying. But if that were true, then why did Stalin side with the US and Britain against Hitler? Because Hitler was the greater threat. Essentially it's more or less the same thing here.
Out of character, I'm all for the SCRA having a NAP with Bretonia while the Gallic war is on. This gives their RP and diplomacy a bit more depth, and is sensible since kill-everything factions are silly and a tiny group like the SCRA can't realistically hope to fight everyone anyways. It's an agreement that makes sense for both sides, and there's nothing wrong with that. Historically, successful revolutionaries have come to the same conclusion as well.
oh man please,stop this.And try to use brain when you reading history.
Stalin used help from Capitalistic countries only because USSR was under attack. But what we have now?
Coalition in far system,have no war (only Corsairs maybe),can build their own system and help other workers in others houses to do revolution in houses.
But in fact,Workers of Coalition taking ships,going in far system to join monarchy,which is not cares about workers(i mean social movement) in their own house. Workers from far system going to die for Monarchy? maaaaan,this is joke?
So please,do not write,if you have no clue about this.ok? ok.
Quote:So Let me get this in a short form. You dont like that the SCRA Attacked the GRN in Leeds today and think we're allied with the Bretons? No, we're not. There is however a Non Aggression Pact in place between the SCRA and the BAF.
Trololo-roleplay?
revolutioners which dont want do revolution? Pact communists and monarchy? ye,i feeling that nobody even never read about communists.
This is kinda pact of non-agression between nomads and Order.