Judicial Order

[danny081]

I believe we recognize our faults and are changing, within recent events we have proved to be an active bunch of Freelancers with goal's that broaden beyond say that of the LPI, we even accepted the communities criticism whether it was assertive or an aggressive approach, we have answered you, some of you don't understand our RP, and fact is some of you just don't want us here, i have seen on countless occasion people having a big problem with "Newark Afkers" and you rage against us for being active now? honestly this is just barbaric, so we moved on to claiming bounties, and we escort transports, we train, we organize, we do a lot of work, yet you continue to say we do nothing? fact is people we're moving up and you don't like it.

What amuses me the most is that i have read a lot of comment's stating we don't RP enough and that we are OORP, the majority of this community uses set messages and go in all guns blazing, they pirate freelancer's with freelancer I.D's, just yesterday i came in contact with a group of people who were adamant on blowing my ship to pieces without any RP, i have camera evidence of the Torpedo's using a set message with not nearly enough RP and then firing Nova's at a station to kill myself and the Supreme Judge.

My point is that you target us for all our imperfection's, and when given the opportunity to offer suggestion's in a controlled atmosphere with no flaming etc, zero attend.

P.S
as for "Gank" since when has it been a rule to fight fair here?

Judge-Alpha

[Omicron]

I believe we recognize our faults and are changing

From original post: (This post was last modified: 07-02-2013 20:49 by JudgeYohance.)
Please update your information if you REALLY changed.
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we even accepted the communities criticism whether it was assertive or an aggressive approach, we have answered you, some of you don't understand our RP

You are just as aggresive as some of the people giving feedback. How about you answer questions here for everyone else to see rather than to play with some skype conference?
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"Newark Afkers" and you rage against us for being active now? honestly this is just barbaric, so we moved on to claiming bounties, and we escort transports, we train, we organize, we do a lot of work, yet you continue to say we do nothing? fact is people we're moving up and you don't like it.

It is not about hours, it is about quality and what you do with this time. I am still trying to understand what is your business in Nomad worlds, place considered too dangerous to simply patrol even by dedicated Nomad slayers - Order.
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What amuses me the most is that i have read a lot of comment's stating we don't RP enough and that we are OORP

I never saw you roleplaying, except absolute neccesary minimum required to engage.
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P.S
as for "Gank" since when has it been a rule to fight fair here?

Thanks for letting us know, I will remember that if I ever have to shoot Judges, I will bring so many ships you will never find it funny to play here anymore. Treat others like you want them to treat you right?

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[Pancakes]

I believe we recognize our faults and are changing, within recent events we have proved to be an active bunch of Freelancers with goal's that broaden beyond say that of the LPI, we even accepted the communities criticism whether it was assertive or an aggressive approach, we have answered you, some of you don't understand our RP, and fact is some of you just don't want us here, i have seen on countless occasion people having a big problem with "Newark Afkers" and you rage against us for being active now? honestly this is just barbaric, so we moved on to claiming bounties, and we escort transports, we train, we organize, we do a lot of work, yet you continue to say we do nothing? fact is people we're moving up and you don't like it.

What amuses me the most is that i have read a lot of comment's stating we don't RP enough and that we are OORP, the majority of this community uses set messages and go in all guns blazing, they pirate freelancer's with freelancer I.D's, just yesterday i came in contact with a group of people who were adamant on blowing my ship to pieces without any RP, i have camera evidence of the Torpedo's using a set message with not nearly enough RP and then firing Nova's at a station to kill myself and the Supreme Judge.

My point is that you target us for all our imperfection's, and when given the opportunity to offer suggestion's in a controlled atmosphere with no flaming etc, zero attend.

P.S
as for "Gank" since when has it been a rule to fight fair here?

Judge-Alpha

"Not ganking" is not a rule around here, but fair-play and nice playing environment is something expected from Official factions, especially ones PvP oriented.

Stop feeling as if everyone attacks you - you have many flaws with your lore (it simply contradicts Discovery's lore at times, and at other times it's powergaming).

Make it clear what you wish to be - if you wish to be mercenaries be such. If you wish to be vigilantes be such.

Remember you can't eat the pie and have it left whole. If you are vigilantes it means you will be antagonized by house law enforcers - no one likes civilians that takes the law into their own hands. If you are mercenaries working only for lawfuls then in what manner are you ANY different than BHG that means you need the official status to go on with your faction's RP?

You are not being attacked, you are being questioned harshly - perfectly legitimate for a faction that is trying to become official. I assure you if you wouldn't try to - a lot of the "attacks" (which is simply criticism, learn to deal with it) since you wouldn't be trying to become integral part of Discovery's lore and RP.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Valhalla Sr.]

P.S
as for "Gank" since when has it been a rule to fight fair here?

Thanks for letting us know, I will remember that if I ever have to shoot Judges, I will bring so many ships you will never find it funny to play here anymore. Treat others like you want them to treat you right?

I think Mike here has a point. If you ever do it Mike, I'm in. Anyways, back to the point. First of all, you actually don't do anything except Idling on Newark, which is, afaik, very stupid. Don't take this as an insult, because i'd be insulting stupid people then. I see that as a way of not-RPing in an RP envirnoment. EVEN if i meet someone i don't really like, i still try doing my best at RPing with him. But for me, you lost that. Everything you have is a privilege, which can be revoked at any time. I just did it. Thank you for reading this. I'll try just to comment on what i see fit to.

Also, once more, Quote from Igiss....

The intent behind these rules are for everyone to be excellent to one another. Consider the people around you. Keep fair play in mind. It's a game and nothing is gained, or lost, save the experience. Credits can be re-earned. Ammunition replenished.

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[Haste]

First of all, you actually don't do anything except Idling on Newark, which is, afaik, very stupid.

I'd say, give them a chance to change this. Given I've hunted them for that puny little bounty on theirs heads for a couple days now, I have to say they do move around. They didn't do so in the past, perhaps, but that's changing.

I do have to say I've unfortunately had the same experiences as others in this thread. The Judges don't seem to mind a seven-versus-one fight whatsoever. In fact, after said fight, a number of them will go and talk trash at you because they failed to kill you. Not a very fun experience. Oh, and according to them, it's "roleplay" because their character hates mine.

Yeah.

And I have to agree with others who have said Judges don't roleplay - or at the very least don't do so with anyone except other Judges. I've been able to talk with them, alright, but in nine out of ten situations they seem to just blindly engage in a swarm and a few engagement lines.

I can't say the situation is any different with my other characters. It's rarely, if ever, pleasant. An example: as an LPI trying to get a Freelancer ID'd Liberty Gunboat to either swap their ship or get an appropriate ID (or, of course, ask for permission.. but I don't think that's very likely in most cases), and similar situations, I almost always had a Judge shouting at me from Newark about me not doing my job. I should be out there hunting pirates, not enforcing other parts of the law!

I suppose that's also because their character hates mine.

One of the things I think is most important for a faction to become official is that they're fun to play with. Fun to be around. Fun to fight. Fun to fight alongside. Fun to roleplay with. An asset to the server. I'm afraid that I have yet to have a great deal of fun with them.

[danny081]

I will take fair play into consideration, however The Judges have been "ganked" in the past too, and still get "ganked" on a regular basis, sorry but we have a lot of members in our group, and they have all fallen victim, they have been "ganked" they have been engaged with no RP! would you say this is fair? i must say i'm not keen on creating a rota that will ensure fair play to everyone who is against us, especially when we don't have that respect in return, will that be fair on our members who want to be involved in RP as well as combat? restrict them from there fun so to speak? did you ever think we may be "ganking" people because of what they have done to us? maybe there action's caused this.

i have fought people fairly, with Judge forces simply observing as oppose to all jumping on one target before, even when i was defeated, The Judges left with honor as oppose to all jumping on the target after i had been blown to pieces.

in the past we have been attacked time and time again! so now we are hitting them back in the same way they hit us? and you don't like it? just sounds a bit "emo" to me.

so how people can have the nerve to say fair play should be considered when they "gank" when they engage with no RP and when they are in violation of there own I.D, it's rather hypocritical.

If you haven't participated in such event's then we will recognize that, and we will respect you for it, if not then i'm sorry but we won't play fair if you don't.

[Haste]

Ganks happen everywhere. An official faction may pride itself in holding itself back, and rather than adding to the problem, keeping their engagements reasonably fair whenever they can.

Also, you are aware you're mostly in Liberty, yes? If there's one place where engagements without RP happen simply because people aren't aware of the rules, it's there. Acting in a hateful manner and punishing everyone else you run into for some new players' mistakes isn't commendable behavior, now is it?

[danny081]

I will also pride myself on keeping it entirely fair, but if someone is not playing fair with a member of The Judges we will reinforce our Judge with as many people as he is against, maybe more depending on the target, considering we are restricted to Bombers/Fighters, how would we fair against a capital ship with one Bomber vessel? we bring an attack wing of 4-5 people each time we find a target such as a cruiser etc, if we are intercepted on the way then we have every reason to attack, we don't normally attack first then RP later, we RP first, giving you the choice to leave us alone and mind your own business or engage us, that choice is then yours.

From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.

[Trail]

I will also pride myself on keeping it entirely fair, but if someone is not playing fair with a member of The Judges we will reinforce our Judge with as many people as he is against, maybe more depending on the target, considering we are restricted to Bombers/Fighters, how would we fair against a capital ship with one Bomber vessel? we bring an attack wing of 4-5 people each time we find a target such as a cruiser etc, if we are intercepted on the way then we have every reason to attack, we don't normally attack first then RP later, we RP first, giving you the choice to leave us alone and mind your own business or engage us, that choice is then yours.

From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.

Capital ships are in a different category when it comes to ganks

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[danny081]

Ganks happen everywhere. An official faction may pride itself in holding itself back, and rather than adding to the problem, keeping their engagements reasonably fair whenever they can.

Also, you are aware you're mostly in Liberty, yes? If there's one place where engagements without RP happen simply because people aren't aware of the rules, it's there. Acting in a hateful manner and punishing everyone else you run into for some new players' mistakes isn't commendable behavior, now is it?

"If you haven't participated in such event's then we will recognize that, and we will respect you for it, if not then i'm sorry but we won't play fair if you don't."

this comment being the most important, we punish no one, we "gank" people who "gank" us, is that fair?