Lock topic please. I give up,lolwuts win

[SMGSterlin]

So what's being demanded is that the WP's be removed and the base turned over to another owner.

Now, if the Kusari government is willing to reimburse the BDS for this turnover, I'm sure that something could be arranged.

Exactly.

Hogosha have nothing to gain from complying with this, only ALOT to lose.

If I was in the BDS's shoes, I would be like "screw you, KNF/KSP, now you get shot by Itabashi too". When the KNF/KSP are unable to undock from New Tokyo because of that base, I think everyone would be perfectly happy to have things go back to how they were.

Not to mention, the player base for the KSP and KNF sucks, and I think Hogosha has more players than them.

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[Tigger]

Exactly.

Hogosha have nothing to gain from complying with this, only ALOT to lose.

If I was in the BDS's shoes, I would be like "screw you, KNF/KSP, now you get shot by Itabashi too". When the KNF/KSP are unable to undock from New Tokyo because of that base, I think everyone would be perfectly happy to have things go back to how they were.

Not to mention, the player base for the KSP and KNF sucks, and I think Hogosha has more players than them.

Well, yeah, the government is demanding that they be given a base but is not offering to make any compensation for it.

Setting aside the fact that the government has made several accusations but not provided any form of proof...they're also demanding that one faction just give a core 4 base to another faction...without being paid for it.

If the government asked for an IFF change and done so reasonably politely that could have easily been accomplished. Now they just want the entire base handed over to them.

Sure, just pay the BDS for the base and the government can have it.

Otherwise who's next? Hey IMG, Falster is in a nice spot...but the Bret government has decided that it wants you to give it to the BPA. Compensation? No thanks, we want to keep our money and have the base too.

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[perdoller]

Like the nomads?

Well Nomads already in the past, although they still exist in the Omicron. And I still can not play for them.
Descendants of the Dom Kavash race could hide themselves from nomads invasion millions of years in a secret system with its mysterious knowledge blocking all Jump holes. But appearance of humans doesn't fit the plans of them.
Although given the number of blockings jump holes in Gallia - development history will be here and will not be associated with aliens.

[Anaximander]

Otherwise who's next? Hey IMG, Falster is in a nice spot...but the Bret government has decided that it wants you to give it to the BPA. Compensation? No thanks, we want to keep our money and have the base too.

Well there's a difference. Falster doesn't defy logic and common sense like that aggressive gun-toting Hogosha terror-den in New Tokyo orbit. Do remember that there wouldn't have been a problem if this base hadn't been built in the most unlikely of places, both from an RP and oorp/fairplay perspective.

[Pancakes]

From what I understood all that was requested is the IFF changed and WPs removed. Not that I see a reason to have both, given the fact that any of the following will "seal the deal" and stop innocent traders from dying.

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[SummerMcLovin]

Anaximander got here before me. IMG aren't causing problems with their base and other than some issue about registering it (due to it being made before the regulations), Bretonian government is fine with them out in the Omegas not in New London orbit.

As has been said inRP in the PM's thread and ooRP here (and on Skype by me), you changed it to KNF IFF to stop 'innocents' being shot and because Ryoken still shot the base (doing absolutely no damage) you decided to change it back to Hogosha to... destroy more traders?

I don't really have a character that fits the thread (although I'm not sure if Jamie's was a new one made for that thread, could do the same), so someone could bring up this point. Your explanation of IFFs isn't that great in my eyes: it is your standing with the group in question, and the group consider the character hostile for being friends with your enemies, say. People would be hostile for bribing Bretonian corps or GMG, not for getting a specifically 'hostile bribe' with the Hogosha.
The example about Cardiff also does not make sense: the Outcasts are only really allowed to operate militarily in Newcastle and Leeds (no real need to do anything else in other systems like Cambridge), and changing it to BPA IFF would not stop the base shooting them - still a -0.7 rephack there.

You do pull off the smarmy lawyer RP well though, I'll give you that. If you find it so annoying to do though, why not give it over to someone else in BDS if "the player base for the KSP and KNF sucks, and I think Hogosha has more players than them."


So perhaps...

E-peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen.

Although I am unsure of how great being 'Kusari trading corporation number three' would be.

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Kingdom of Bretonia
Colonial Republic
Independent Miners Guild
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[Markus_Janus]

Tigger, you are more than aware that no one in the Kusari government wants you to lose that base .

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.

[West]

If the government asked for an IFF change and done so reasonably politely that could have easily been accomplished.
Now they just want the entire base handed over to them.

Who wants that base? Gheis? KNF don't need it and won't bother with it, we have our own.
I asked in my first transmission.. to change iff to ksp/knf or move platforms further so they don't attack traders, AND? Msg got deleted.
Now Gheis asked for removal of platforms and/or change of IFF, slighlty different, but noone stops you from keeping Hogosha base with KSP IFF.
Nah, you even stated in KNF chat that platforms won't be moved.. because they "Defend" Planet from lolcaps....

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[Tigger]

As has been said inRP in the PM's thread and ooRP here (and on Skype by me), you changed it to KNF IFF to stop 'innocents' being shot and because Ryoken still shot the base (doing absolutely no damage) you decided to change it back to Hogosha to... destroy more traders?

It was not changed to KNF IFF in January to stop innocents from being shot. I took note of a few OORP complaints and changed the IFF to KNF. I was not asked to do so by the government or anyone else. The government chat was informed of the change as an experiment. When the complaints continued even with KNF IFF, and with people deliberately shooting the base to force the guns to fire on them, it was determined that the IFF was not the issue. Some time later the IFF was changed back to Hogosha as the complaints continued even though the base had KNF IFF.

You do pull off the smarmy lawyer RP well though, I'll give you that. If you find it so annoying to do though, why not give it over to someone else in BDS if "the player base for the KSP and KNF sucks, and I think Hogosha has more players than them."

Your quote is not from me. As for being the BDS' role played attorney, the faction lead asked that I do so. I'm not in the government chat to represent the BDS and I'm not the faction leader. The faction leader asked me to do this for him so I agreed.

The annoying part isn't doing RP, it's that I prefer to play the game and try to have fun. It's forumlancing in general that I dislike.

Tigger, you are more than aware that no one in the Kusari government wants you to lose that base .

Yes, I agree with this. However the PM's demand does not mention changing the IFF/transponder of the station. It states to give the base to the KSP.

The BDS is fine with doing that, provided the government compensate them for doing so.

Who wants that base? Gheis? KNF don't need it and won't bother with it, we have our own.
I asked in my first transmission.. to change iff to ksp/knf or move platforms further so they don't attack traders, AND? Msg got deleted.
Now Gheis asked for removal of platforms and/or change of IFF, slighlty different, but noone stops you from keeping Hogosha base with

Read the PM's post again. It mentions nothing about changing IFF,. The demand states that administration of the station is to be turned over to the KSP. and that KSP will determine the future of the station. That is far more than just an IFF change.

Nah, you even stated in KNF chat that platforms won't be moved.. because they "Defend" Planet from lolcaps....

It is proven fact that they do. Prior to the base's construction there were constant BD, OC, and pirates raiding and sometimes even camping that area. That dropped off considerably after the base construction. When the BDS turned off the guns completely, a few hours later on separate incidents there was a Blood Dragon cruiser, then an OC cruiser, then an OC BS with an OC cruiser shooting up the area.

Even if the BDS were to give Itabashi back to the KSP in compliance with the demands, the KSP would have a base with no defenses. That is counter productive.

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[Jack_Henderson]

Okay, it has been all nice rp in that threat and as it gets oorp, now, I think it is time for a solution.

I think it is pretty obvious what has happened and what should happen in my opinion.

> Itabashi has caused a lot of trouble.
> The government ignored it, but the voices became too loud.
> The Hogosha did not react, so the government felt that a stern reminder of who is in power is necessary.
> The PM addressed the issue with clear words and a ultimatum, showing strength to the public (and likely hoping for a few more supporters from circles that do not love Hogos).
> The Hogosha would not just give in, as the conditions are clearly very bad (turning over of any POB is oorply unaccetable) and irply they would lose a lot of credibility and power by giving in.
> Consequently the Hogosha would make a counter proposal (like... the obvious: We reprogram the defense grid to KSP, but keep full administration of the base)
> The PM would agree via a spokesperson and everybody would be fine.

Where is the problem?
There are other solutions than:

> we make you red!
> try sieging core 4, muahahah!

Both extreme solutions get close to lolwuttism, so a middle way is what rp would create in reality.

I say it is the Hogosha's turn to make an acceptable counter proposal of how to avert the dangers to civilian shipping and station damage. And it is so easy... if one doesn't make it an oorp struggle for power, which I hope it is not.

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