Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF

[Bootsiuv]

Period.

I can't help but assume you're taking this more personally than would be expected due to the recent deconstruction of your own base.
Those situations were entirely different.
This base had the potential to completely eliminate traffic between Manchester and New London.
Do you not see a problem with this, fun aside?

I do see a problem with it, but I also see one screenshot involving one trader.

I also see a deconstructed core 4 base and know the amount of resources required to construct one of these.

There were better ways of handling this in my opinion. If all else fails and they're being that oorp, I'd prefer the admins to step in and say "poof" to having this happen.

Summer feels bad, the base owners feel bad....so what is the point?

If the point was for everyone involved to feel bad oorp, congratulations, the system is working as intended.

In regards to my base, at the end of the day, I don't care about your fake money, your fake laws or your fake chars, I feel bad that a few guys who were having fun and thinking up possible rp haven't logged in for 3 days.

No more, no less.

[Jack_Henderson]

This base had the potential to completely eliminate traffic between Manchester and New London.

If it had happened that this base in this position goes "shoot all the things! Olol" (there is no proof that this would have happened!) this would have created a situation of oorpness and trolling that is sanctionable via existing rules.


This extreme development...
... would have brought Admins into the play.
... would have brought a community reaction, and even these have changed base layouts. And the anger would have been pointed at the right people then (trolls, players visibly disrupting the gameplay) and not on a few that are now those who get the hate.

I am trying hard to find a bright light in this mess of people feeling betrayed, bad, angry, disappointed, etc.

And the only bright moment is that this total mess hopefully calls for some necessary rule sets for what bases can do, what they cannot do, and how to play with/against them.

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[Hone]

To clarify Hone, I've already explained exactly what happened - it wasn't Core IFFed (station changing to this, the idea was rebuffed). Also, Bretonia does not usually demand a password from bases, but then again we never had (nor will we in the future) have them in such a dangerous position.

Well I will say that I think a com channel message saying what was happeneing and why, should have been posted seconds before the raid began, like police get warrents just before conducting a raid. That would have been good RP, and not left enough time for the owner to change the locks.

I admit that this would have been a better way of RPing it, although it doesn't stop it being ooRPly horrible. Although I appreciate the people backing me up, don't anyone think I'm happy with myself for doing things this way.

Not core, I see, just normal BHG, RE that IFF issue, I was talking about this:

-The change from the IFF wihtout consolting us, which can lead to hostile forces being able to dock on the base
-The base had been shooting at passing ships, there is proof and a formal RP complaint in the matter
-Given the above and that he registered his base with the Bretonian goverment then he's entered into a contract in which is is obligated to uphlod the conditions in which he entered.
-As it was registered with us, then we have the authority to terminate their contract and end the base if they violate their conditions. The contact clearly states that BPA, BAF and BIS have FULL access to the base. Which also includes shields and weapons and so we're capable of removing the base.
-Given that he did violate his contract, then given the location of his base and the platforms he was entrusted with, then it was deemed that it was a threat to the safety of traffic along the lanes, expecially given that there have already been attacks.

Saying they were told they wernt allowed to use any IFF except BPA, and yet they changed it - being the reason it shot people, and the reason it was destroyed.



RE the passwords i was talking about this:

As it was Defending gate, Summer had a 2ndary Password that he abused to kill the base ooRP no RP Post was made before base gone blown up no warning to me nothing.....

So You're basically saying you gave him secondary authority over the base to do what he likes.

No, I don't wanted I had to, it was a Term for the base from BPA cuz it guards the gate they wanted to have some controles over it. I dont wanted it but I couldn't say no.

How BPA demanded the password for it being setup, for use in exactly this situation, and how it is INRP that it was used this way.


Quite simply the owner entered into a contract with the BPA which he then broke, so the BPA used the means they had said they would, to break his base.


Reading summers post I am actually not on his side. He is far TOO generous to you! No further consequences? Not arresting, fining or outlawing your other base? Refunding you the money? PMs and apologies? he must have the bleeding heart of a saint to put up with you so much.

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[SummerMcLovin]

Well there might be a reason that you're not in charge of the BPA, Hone. In general we've tried to avoid becoming Bommel-RFP style.
Yes there was some justification, but don't "kick John while he is down".

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[Jack_Henderson]

Hone, just shut up.
It is time to find a solution, not for your wisdom.
Sorry for the clarity.

You are pouring oil into a fire that has become too big already with your polemic statements that are blatantly one-sided and unnecessarily provoking.

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[Hone]

Jack I disagree with you, though unlike you I can do it without yelling shutup like a 2 year old. You wanted people to just whine to the admins instead of sorting it out INRP, like theyr supposed to on an RP server. I think the WC made the right decision, they RPd.

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[Cannon]

Keep it calm guys -- don't insult one another. This is an important discussion and the results of it will probably result in long term policy changes or clarifications.

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[Black Widow]

my view on the situation is this, the base director Luke was not a very nice person who used many groups to supply his base while giving them no RP credit for their work and paid very low prices for supplies. On one occasion my group were supplying the defense base then we were denied access afterward??

The owner Luke does not like RP and so I do not know why he was running all these bases, and to set the base to a defensive state where traders were being shot at meant the base had to go.

The BAF/BPA did the right thing in blowing up your base as you obviously dont know how to run one, your base was a danger to the local population and was destroyed as a result, well done BPA and for doing it in RP aswell.

Remember Manchester is not Dublin, there is no need of a Goldern Coin type weap platform layout around the gate on a busy shipping lane.

The Defense Annexe was a base built on oorp egotistical power it had no place in RP, good riddens I say....

[Savas]

Bases are annoying, everybody knows it - Admins are assuredly aware that despite being a great concept, it has some unfortunate problems. Of course there is no way to say this nicely - John/Luke & co. just get over it, big investment I get it, yet it is not worth the 9+ (Mostly redundant) pages of delicious tears, rage, and tbf. Considering that Summer already apologized and reimbursed John, there is no further point of this thread.

Let sleeping dogs lie, and lock the thread.

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[Soul Reaper]

I've read all these posts..well, most of them, and all I can see is useless blabbering about some RP stuff that doesn't actually have anything to do with the situation.

There's only two things that happened here, and has nothing to do with inRP reasons because it never really got to that point.

1. The base owner, John, went full-retard and gave out his base's administration password because he "trusted" Summer.
2. Summer went full-backstab (no offense, it's just the best way to explain the action) and removed fuel/crew or whatever, and destroyed the base.

Now while it may seem Summer acted on aforementioned roleplay of the base being ordered to be destroyed by the Bretonian War Cabinet. In no way did Summer have the right to use the means to destroy John's base via his own password. Sure, ordering it's destruction inRP is fine, I don't care, grab some battleships and destroy it if you can, but using the trust of another player to screw him over like that, that's just, no. This isn't EVE Online, the community has made it clear that they "care" about other players' feelings.

Now of course, it was John's stupidity that allowed for all this to happen, so Summer couldn't be blamed entirely, giving up a base password is just..well, stupid.

Now while there are no rules that govern bases, there is one specific rule that governs player interaction, which is 0.0

This has nothing to do with inRP interaction and/or inRP consequences of any sort. This is about a player using the trust of another player against him. And even though I love Summer and I myself do trust him, if I were the admin team I would charge him with 0.0 and possibly ban him for at least a month as well as deleting a few characters that would net a total of around what the base had cost. But that's me.

Either way, the point I'm trying to make is that in my opinion this whole event should have nothing to do with RP, because before the RP, something incredibly bad happened between players in an ooRP context. So for the following quote:

I admit that this would have been a better way of RPing it, although it doesn't stop it being ooRPly horrible. Although I appreciate the people backing me up, don't anyone think I'm happy with myself for doing things this way.

Then you shouldn't have done it, and you should be punished for doing it, no matter how you may or may not feel.

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