Abuse of Power Complaint to Admins Via Bretonian War Cabinet/BAF

[Marcus]

As the BPA faction leader, I voted in favor of destroying Blackpool. I've listed my response to the abuse of power complaint, my reason behind my vote, and the accusations towards Summer.

The main accusation of this is that Blackpool was destroyed through means that the Bretonian Government wouldn't have had in RP, ie done through oorp means. Did we have that level of access in RP? Yes. When he made the request for Blackpool's initial construction was submitted and then accepted he entered into a contract with the Bretonian Government, a contract which stated "All stations must be accessible at all times to all Bretonian law enforcement agencies; this includes the BAF|, BIS| and BPA).". Now 'accessible' is open to interpretation I admit but it is implying that we want access to the base in order to ensure that it used properly. It is the RP way of saying that you can't claim we don't have any presence on the base. The oorp game mechanic of the base passwords is an extension of that of that intent and as such is a viable way of simulating a BPA officer coming aboard and matching into command center to take over. As a member of the law the station crew would have to obey the officer.
The Bretonian Government doesn't even let cruisers pass through Bretonia without being escorted and gets even jumper with Battleships. So you can imagine the feeling about a base, not owned by Bretonia, sitting along a major trade route with the firepower of 5 battleships, a base that is owned effectively by Bounty Hunter scum.....There is most certainly a strong Bretonian presence maintained on the base, and most certainly the government would insist on being able to control the bases defenses. As we do, forcing people to make an additional request in order to make platforms isn't just because we enjoy the paperwork.
I say that there is plenty of facts which support that fact that we had the ability, in RP, to be able to destroy the base.


Now as for the reasoning behind it's destruction and why it was terminated without prior notice:
As previously stated once gaining approval to build the base he entered into a Contract with Bretonia, breaking the conditions of a contract gives us the right to respond in the way that we see fit, whether it be a warning, fine or termination.
-Blackpool's IFF was to be set to BPA, which is initially was, as those hostile and friendly to BHG and Bretonia are different. The IFF for the station was changed without notification or permission.
-Dock access is required for all bases within Bretonia for BPA), BAF|, etc. Access which was removed, also without notification or permission. What other reason could possible be for that except that he didn't want any lawful forces on the base, which isn't something that provokes an imagine of lawful obedience.
-Several ships were attacked by the base, a matter which should never have occurred, which violates general Bretonian Law. He has stated that this was the 'test' the base defenses. For starters why he would need to is beyond me, given that there is plenty of material on the subject. To test it on the base which sits along a trade route, when there is the other Blackpool Production base which also has platforms that he could test, out of people's way. Also since the base should have a BPA IFF why he needed to change the base defense set when he could just use a pirate IDed ship that would do the same job, also without bothering people.
-Then there's 'jokes' about how fun it is to blow up ships with the defense platforms, selling it off to Bretonian hostile people and putting tolls on the Manchester. Given the other above points I'm more inclined to not see them as jokes when some of the conditions for the base is ignored, we get shut out of the base, and then 'tests' which looked to me to be the same as when I was testing how effective the blockading abilities of Goldern Coin was.
While I initially suggested just removing the guns I later decided against it when I realized that he could still lock us out, have a impenetrable base and still be able to rebuild the platforms. The risk of having a Coin type base within Bretonian along one of the major trade routes was too great to take the chance. Given at how the base was beginning to seem increasing hostile I fully supported that the base should be removed. While he has no doubt spent many hours and great amount of credits in building the base he also created a set of circumstances which resulted in the loss of trust of the house he was in, those who truly care about their possessions shouldn't place them in harms way. You don't park a expensive car in a tow away zone or rocket down a road at 150km/h and then complain when it gets taken away from you. The base was becoming a danger not only to Bretonia but to the freedom of movement to every player in Bretonia.

The base was destroyed without prior warning because simply if I have to destroy the base then there's clearly a lack of trust. I didn't trust that he wouldn't lock us out and turn the base hostile just for spite or to sell the base to someone who would. As a police officer in discovery you learn quickly that people will do or say anything to avoid parting with credits, I've had people take an extra 3 systems just to bypass me and avoid a 500,000 fine that would've sent them on their way. As a long time BPA I've learned that people pay less attention to the police then they do to pirates, and as such often harsher measures are needed then would normally seem to apply. When you have to deal with players who try to find every loophole of the law or dock on your own base to escape you, I find that when dealing with lawbreakers that you need to ensure that they can't avoid you before you launch into their crimes. There might not have been any post before hand but after the base destruction my first thought is that we should make a RP post about this, naturally Summer had already been working on one...so while there might of not been one beforehand we certainty were going to make one, we hadn't planned on taking it out without any sort of notification, whether it be before or after.


There have been several accusations towards Summer. All of which are baseless, Summer is the 2ic of the BPA, he doesn't have ultimate power over Bretonia. The decision to destroy the base was made by the War Cabinet, a matter which not only had a majority vote but also the votes from the BPA, who's primarily responsible for bases within Bretonia, and the BAF, who's secondary responsible. As per the rules of the Cabinet it's the faction leaders who's votes that count, the 2ic's bring matters of importance to the attention of the Cabinet, providing suggested solutions and advice.
Summer's role in using the base access code to disable the defenses is purely due to the fact that he manages the section of the BPA regarding licenses. The code could have just as easily been used by myself, he should in no way be held responsible for it's use. If it is decided that there should be a punished for the use of the code then I demand, as the faction leader of the BPA, that it should be placed on me not those who just carry out the wishes of the Cabinet.
Summer is a good lad, and is was far more upset by the bases destruction the I was. I've been a BPA far longer then Summer has, and have developed a very strong sense to protect Bretonia from those that simply ignore the law. I believe that destroying the base was the right call, and as the BPA faction leader it's both my right to make that call and my responsibility to deal with the repercussions of it should it prove to be wrong.

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[jonnaffen747]

Just because the character Luke Walker received no notification about the removal of the station as a consequence of his actions, prior to it happening, that doesn't mean the whole was not inRP.

But just not to hide behind "inRP" always, let me tell you, the notion that I can be blown up anytime I pass the station for no actual reason other than the amusement of an other player was enough frustrating ooRPly too. And after the second incident I could really not easily be convinced this would not repeat itself.

This was ooRPly , What you would think if

You meet a pirate and he stops you and kills you , then he pm's you and rp's to you? That's the same as summer done.

[Bootsiuv]

Because what was done is not rp.

It was an exploitation of game mechanics and another player's trust.

The owner should have been notified beforehand. If the base went "rogue" and couldn't be dealt with inrp, that's when you go oorp and notify the admins of the situation.

I find it hard to believe they would let a base sit on a major tradelane and grief hundreds of players.



@FallenKnight

What would I do? I would rp evacuating it and let it go boom.

It's what I did with my most recent base after we were denied a license.

I assume it went boom anyways. Haven't really had the urge to log in as of late.

[jonnaffen747]

Marcus,

I didnt readed all what you've posted but 75 % of that isn't right.

EDIT :

-Blackpool's IFF was to be set to BPA, which is initially was, as those hostile and friendly to BHG and Bretonia are different. The IFF for the station was changed without notification or permission.

The Station was acctualy defined as an BHG Installation and since the inRP Agreement of this just Summer on Skype and me talked ooRPly. It was something like ''It would be better if you hold it to BPA becuz the repsheet you know...''
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-Dock access is required for all bases within Bretonia for BPA), BAF|, etc. Access which was removed, also without notification or permission. What other reason could possible be for that except that he didn't want any lawful forces on the base, which isn't something that provokes an imagine of lawful obedience.

Dock Acces BPA,BAF,BIS had everytime at anytime. Just as I cleaned all Tags and sorted them alphabetically and made them correct to match to the Forums listed tags in my base thread my 1st base cried for Basic Alloy . Then Summer Cried Around : LUKE YOU IDIOT WHY I CANT DOCK IM SITTING NOW LIKE 10 MINS AROUND AND CANT DOCK!
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-Several ships were attacked by the base, a matter which should never have occurred, which violates general Bretonian Law. He has stated that this was the 'test' the base defenses. For starters why he would need to is beyond me, given that there is plenty of material on the subject. To test it on the base which sits along a trade route, when there is the other Blackpool Production base which also has platforms that he could test, out of people's way. Also since the base should have a BPA IFF why he needed to change the base defense set when he could just use a pirate IDed ship that would do the same job, also without bothering people.

To this I can answer you quietly easy :

I had setted platforms to hostile, cuz my AA|John.Able' is a BHG bomber and i attacked with him the Base. The Bowex passed as I were dead already (Seemed like) and he died. I stopped testing defense grid. AND I ONLY TESTED ON ME YE?
One day later, I was unhappy with the positions of the platforms there were just 60 Players online~~ it was morning here I said lets try again Hopefully no one passes now, I setted to hostile back again was goin to Switch to my bomber as i were on my stork undocked accidently and tried to redock as i said before my mother camed in to room at this time, to Switch to my bomber and then the [C] passed and just got killed I had noch Chance to help him as I were afk... It was an Accident... And as I told we are all Humans and Humans do Mistakes (Rule 1.10 ye Is made for People that live on earth, Show a heart and Forget me my mistake.

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-Then there's 'jokes' .....

You dont got this Point, I talked at this Time to burak in Skype totaly ooRPly and not realistcly meant, I mean do I look like I would sell a Core 4 Base fully equipped and well supplied for 1,5 bilion as burak wished? No. We just Spammed a bit around in the Lawful Chat to annoy Summer cuz he removed me one day before from the Chat and added me again so I could annoy him a bit. Also I think the destruction of this Installation was just cuz of Summers Feelings but this is just my opinion.

-Luke

[Alley]

Seriously Marcus... that justification...

I'm not sure if I have to feel sad for you but I'm already astonished. If for you disco is only full of players with bad intentions then maybe it's time to have a break. At least you admitted backing the destruction of a base that wasn't yours by master password abuse, because "he might be evil".

that's one step toward maybe making you understand what you all did wrong.

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Alley was right.

[FallenKnight]

@FallenKnight
What would I do? I would rp evacuating it and let it go boom.
It's what I did with my most recent base after we were denied a license.
I assume it went boom anyways. Haven't really had the urge to log in as of late.

I see you are honest and I hope you really would have done that instead to give a fake answer. Alright then, if we belive in what you say then in both cases you would lose the base: Unwillingly (destruction of your base before day) or Willingly (abandoning of your base, leading to destruction).

Then why is this thread? Why havent you brought this to skype to talk it out there? Excuse me but this seems to me a little odd - If I had a base and it was destroyed from lets say Rheinland due to similar mistakes...I wouldnt bring that on forum if I have a clear view that even if admins gave it back it will be destroyed.

PS: If you are so eager to rebuild the base (in case u insist) RP it out with new char and I dont think u gona have problems. Still, the mistakes of your other char gona remain in the "History" and goverment wont do the same mistakes again - to allow a 7 platform base to lock their gate and its owner to be unknown/new customer. Here is your solution, nice and clean. Ofcourse have in mind what you have done, dont repeat your mistakes and I assure you nothing bad is gona happen unless you bring it upon you.

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[Thyrzul]

This was ooRPly , What you would think if

You meet a pirate and he stops you and kills you , then he pm's you and rp's to you? That's the same as summer done.

Bringing a scenario which is different on too many ways to just list in a few lines as an example to compare with is just bad and clearly shows how little knowledge and understanding you have about the events.

Because what was done is not rp.

If you could back up your claim with reasonable arguements such as others backed up their claims of the opposite of what you said with reasonable arguements... that would be good.

I didnt readed all what you've posted but 75 % of that isn't right.

I'll edit this post soon

That's just cute... I'm eager to see your editing.

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[jonnaffen747]

@FallenKnight
What would I do? I would rp evacuating it and let it go boom.
It's what I did with my most recent base after we were denied a license.
I assume it went boom anyways. Haven't really had the urge to log in as of late.

I see you are honest and I hope you really would have done that instead to give a fake answer. Alright then, if we belive in what you say then in both cases you would lose the base: Unwillingly (destruction of your base before day) or Willingly (abandoning of your base, leading to destruction).

Then why is this thread? Why havent you brought this to skype to talk it out there? Excuse me but this seems to me a little odd - If I had a base and it was destroyed from lets say Rheinland due to similar mistakes...I wouldnt bring that on forum if I have a clear view that even if admins gave it back it will be destroyed.

PS: If you are so eager to rebuild the base (in case u insist) RP it out with new char and I dont think u gona have problems. Still, the mistakes of your other char gona remain in the "History" and goverment wont do the same mistakes again - to allow a 7 platform base to lock their gate and its owner to be unknown/new customer. Here is your solution, nice and clean. Ofcourse have in mind what you have done, dont repeat your mistakes and I assure you nothing bad is gona happen unless you bring it upon you.

No Chance. Not in bretonia. I would never built again a Base there or any other where. It's senceles. I know soon my first base will get Destructed in a Reason like the 2nd one. That seems normal in bretonia. Till now I had no Problems with them but if they begun so, this won't be the end of their sanction to me.

[jonnaffen747]

Marcus,

I didnt readed all what you've posted but 75 % of that isn't right.

EDIT :

-Blackpool's IFF was to be set to BPA, which is initially was, as those hostile and friendly to BHG and Bretonia are different. The IFF for the station was changed without notification or permission.

The Station was acctualy defined as an BHG Installation and since the inRP Agreement of this just Summer on Skype and me talked ooRPly. It was something like ''It would be better if you hold it to BPA becuz the repsheet you know...''
--------------------------------------------------------
-Dock access is required for all bases within Bretonia for BPA), BAF|, etc. Access which was removed, also without notification or permission. What other reason could possible be for that except that he didn't want any lawful forces on the base, which isn't something that provokes an imagine of lawful obedience.

Dock Acces BPA,BAF,BIS had everytime at anytime. Just as I cleaned all Tags and sorted them alphabetically and made them correct to match to the Forums listed tags in my base thread my 1st base cried for Basic Alloy . Then Summer Cried Around : LUKE YOU IDIOT WHY I CANT DOCK IM SITTING NOW LIKE 10 MINS AROUND AND CANT DOCK!
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-Several ships were attacked by the base, a matter which should never have occurred, which violates general Bretonian Law. He has stated that this was the 'test' the base defenses. For starters why he would need to is beyond me, given that there is plenty of material on the subject. To test it on the base which sits along a trade route, when there is the other Blackpool Production base which also has platforms that he could test, out of people's way. Also since the base should have a BPA IFF why he needed to change the base defense set when he could just use a pirate IDed ship that would do the same job, also without bothering people.

To this I can answer you quietly easy :

I had setted platforms to hostile, cuz my AA|John.Able' is a BHG bomber and i attacked with him the Base. The Bowex passed as I were dead already (Seemed like) and he died. I stopped testing defense grid. AND I ONLY TESTED ON ME YE?
One day later, I was unhappy with the positions of the platforms there were just 60 Players online~~ it was morning here I said lets try again Hopefully no one passes now, I setted to hostile back again was goin to Switch to my bomber as i were on my stork undocked accidently and tried to redock as i said before my mother camed in to room at this time, to Switch to my bomber and then the [C] passed and just got killed I had noch Chance to help him as I were afk... It was an Accident... And as I told we are all Humans and Humans do Mistakes (Rule 1.10 ye Is made for People that live on earth, Show a heart and Forget me my mistake.

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-Then there's 'jokes' .....

You dont got this Point, I talked at this Time to burak in Skype totaly ooRPly and not realistcly meant, I mean do I look like I would sell a Core 4 Base fully equipped and well supplied for 1,5 bilion as burak wished? No. We just Spammed a bit around in the Lawful Chat to annoy Summer cuz he removed me one day before from the Chat and added me again so I could annoy him a bit. Also I think the destruction of this Installation was just cuz of Summers Feelings but this is just my opinion.

-Luke

Here's my edit. All questions should be answered. I feel like I'm gettin interrogated for nothing and again nothing. Crap.

[Bootsiuv]

Hmmm, just for the record, I have nothing to do with Blackpool Defense Annex.

I'm just using my own experiences to draw from. I don't agree with the way this base was destroyed.

I didn't 100% agree with the way my little groups base was destroyed, as we clearly stated we were a lawful faction in the rp thread....but it was A LOT better than the way this one was taken out.

At least the navy sent a fleet or whatever to take out ours, not have a guy who I thought was my friend go in and remove all of the supplies.

That's the problem with bases to be honest.

They're supposed to be inrp, but require so much effort and maintenance to get going that one develops strong oorp feelings towards them. It's hard to stop, and I'll admit I'm just as guilty of this as anyone else.

I'm just going to leave bases alone for now. For the record, I really wasn't trying to screw over platinum or anything like that, just trying to create some interesting interactions and have some fun with a group of friends. Believe it. Don't believe it. It's all good.