Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ]

[Shizune]

Infact until hawk breaks the ice, this is a ZA AI war only, all other factions entered due to a oorp event but they can't be blamed for that.

Have you also forgot that the factions hostilities re-ignited with Kappa Defense Station was set RED to everyone JUST 2 days after you cried out for a ceasefire? Meaning anyone new to this area entering O-74 which was supposedly a free system would get blown up again?

There is no "I", and It's their bases they can do what they want, infact given the situation I actively encourage them to keep it that way, thats sure to raise the pinheads blood pressure. They must be tearing their hair out in frustration everytime they see those bases, and quite the opposite if they want to fix the base issue, ( and they desperatly do ) make peace with them, after all if the ZA will not listen to the general za-hating-multi-double-standard-pinheads ain't much you can do now isn'ti t?

And thus this turned into a Rage thread where the ZA try to prove they are above all and are right with everything and make us feel like crap...

And you know, i figured i'd give the ZA another chance to perhaps change their ways... no, when you got ZA using ECG caps to do your dirty work and need to hire banned players as well....

hell, i sat in Kappa last night for about an hour trying to tell you guys what the hell the ZA did wrong just a a friendly reminder but nope... this faction is dying because they think they are the overlords of the Omicrons, and you know im right, even Traders name is LORD-COMMANDER of the ZA

so when did this turn into a military style ZA shoot out? the day when they screwed stuff up and though "HEY! NOW WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT WITH NO PUNISHMENT!"

Pff, please, no punishment? have you been there and watched the punishment you guys ignored? the hell you caused?

i sat in 74 and guess who i saw, 1 Legate, 1 Osiris, 3 Cruiser cruisers and 1 AI cruiser silent engage us, i sat there as i was told in PM's that they dont care if they don't get perm'banned. i sat there as the ZA made fake Order ships to trade for them and hell, even a few blockade runners and regagers at Crete.

thats all then. see where if goes from here

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Lyoko Project Files
Project's Leader Aelita X. Stone.

[Zen_Mechanics]

Infact until hawk breaks the ice, this is a ZA AI war only, all other factions entered due to a oorp event but they can't be blamed for that.

Have you also forgot that the factions hostilities re-ignited with Kappa Defense Station was set RED to everyone JUST 2 days after you cried out for a ceasefire? Meaning anyone new to this area entering O-74 which was supposedly a free system would get blown up again?

There is no "I", and It's their bases they can do what they want, infact given the situation I actively encourage them to keep it that way, thats sure to raise the pinheads blood pressure. They must be tearing their hair out in frustration everytime they see those bases, and quite the opposite if they want to fix the base issue, ( and they desperatly do ) make peace with them, after all if the ZA will not listen to the general za-hating-multi-double-standard-pinheads ain't much you can do now isn'ti t?

And thus this turned into a Rage thread where the ZA try to prove they are above all and are right with everything and make us feel like crap...

And you know, i figured i'd give the ZA another chance to perhaps change their ways... no, when you got ZA using ECG caps to do your dirty work and need to hire banned players as well....

hell, i sat in Kappa last night for about an hour trying to tell you guys what the hell the ZA did wrong just a a friendly reminder but nope... this faction is dying because they think they are the overlords of the Omicrons, and you know im right, even Traders name is LORD-COMMANDER of the ZA

so when did this turn into a military style ZA shoot out? the day when they screwed stuff up and though "HEY! NOW WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT WITH NO PUNISHMENT!"

Pff, please, no punishment? have you been there and watched the punishment you guys ignored? the hell you caused?

i sat in 74 and guess who i saw, 1 Legate, 1 Osiris, 3 Cruiser cruisers and 1 AI cruiser silent engage us, i sat there as i was told in PM's that they dont care if they don't get perm'banned. i sat there as the ZA made fake Order ships to trade for them and hell, even a few blockade runners and regagers at Crete.

thats all then. see where if goes from here

And your faction that had and has no rp basis what so ever and if hawk didnt make it clear, his notice will. I told you in p.m more than 20 times to stop it but you ignored nay you actively told me im wrong, so I hope you are proud of yourselves and I couldn't help but to report you all, as an unbiased observer, the same way I reported ZAS. Swallow it, its a friendly reminder.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Duvelske]

He sits back.. and read the whole topic.. Some valid points others not.. then he thinks what if? He looks at some of the remarks in here and starts to write something on his hand.. Hope they will get the picture..

-- ok that was fun..
Now i must say they bring good bricks into o-74 to shoot. So whats wrong with that? thnx for giving me so much to blast guys 10/10 for that.

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[Shizune]

Infact until hawk breaks the ice, this is a ZA AI war only, all other factions entered due to a oorp event but they can't be blamed for that.

Have you also forgot that the factions hostilities re-ignited with Kappa Defense Station was set RED to everyone JUST 2 days after you cried out for a ceasefire? Meaning anyone new to this area entering O-74 which was supposedly a free system would get blown up again?

There is no "I", and It's their bases they can do what they want, infact given the situation I actively encourage them to keep it that way, thats sure to raise the pinheads blood pressure. They must be tearing their hair out in frustration everytime they see those bases, and quite the opposite if they want to fix the base issue, ( and they desperatly do ) make peace with them, after all if the ZA will not listen to the general za-hating-multi-double-standard-pinheads ain't much you can do now isn'ti t?

And thus this turned into a Rage thread where the ZA try to prove they are above all and are right with everything and make us feel like crap...

And you know, i figured i'd give the ZA another chance to perhaps change their ways... no, when you got ZA using ECG caps to do your dirty work and need to hire banned players as well....

hell, i sat in Kappa last night for about an hour trying to tell you guys what the hell the ZA did wrong just a a friendly reminder but nope... this faction is dying because they think they are the overlords of the Omicrons, and you know im right, even Traders name is LORD-COMMANDER of the ZA

so when did this turn into a military style ZA shoot out? the day when they screwed stuff up and though "HEY! NOW WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT WITH NO PUNISHMENT!"

Pff, please, no punishment? have you been there and watched the punishment you guys ignored? the hell you caused?

i sat in 74 and guess who i saw, 1 Legate, 1 Osiris, 3 Cruiser cruisers and 1 AI cruiser silent engage us, i sat there as i was told in PM's that they dont care if they don't get perm'banned. i sat there as the ZA made fake Order ships to trade for them and hell, even a few blockade runners and regagers at Crete.

thats all then. see where if goes from here

And your faction that had and has no rp basis what so ever and if hawk didnt make it clear, his notice will. I told you in p.m more than 20 times to stop it but you ignored nay you actively told me im wrong, so I hope you are proud of yourselves and I couldn't help but to report you all, as an unbiased observer, the same way I reported ZAS. Swallow it, its a friendly reminder.

Lies lies and more lies, you never sent any PM's, you never said a bloody thing, im looking at my folder, nothing, if you want to start spreading lies about like the ZA, be a friend, when you get under fire, don't expect help

its funny, because i told you alraedy, its called support, and the AI's are allied to us, and we defended them, so check again.

Edit: and as per request, i guess this thread needs to be le-locked. because this just got out of hand

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Lyoko Project Files
Project's Leader Aelita X. Stone.

[RedEclipse]

Well granted the fact that you called "zoners" civilians not only proves you have no idea what zoners are, but claiming that jinx has false information is beyond me, If you are looking for information about zoners, you direct yourself to him, pure n simple. And I don't select opinions, I think you all along the way stuck with your version of reality while ignoring the true ugly one and I have supported both parties claims and still am, but when you raise a finger and point someone who is innocent, that is 100% innocent and turn it into a laughing stock, guess who would I be in favour with?

Please explain us who are Zoners.

Disco Zoners "a bit" different to vanilla(like caps). But still, basis are same. Doublefaced people, who trying to survive between 2 or more sides, without getting into the conflict. Read vanilla rumors. it's only one valid way to explain, it's not because we say so.

So, take a look. Is there any mention about Zoners warriors? A Zoner group which don't give a crap about everyone, even to fellow Zoners? It's not a way how Zoners can survive.

If you are logging untagged ships to avoid destruction, it's a shame. It's display how you really screwed your reputation with everyone. It's not a Zoner way, able to undrestand?

We gave you more than 2 chances to get inside of 74 as legit population(we decide do not interfere you guys, and let you grow as normal Zoner faction), and to be honest I thought it'll be great cooperation with some fun times.

But look what we have here. A proud Zoners-warriors, hugging their stations supplied by alts. Be proud of it.

ZA showed itself as most horrible Zoner faction I ever saw. Tips hat.

[Thyrzul]

Well granted the fact that you called "zoners" civilians

Why, what are they, hm? Soldiers? A vast military decided to act without the supervision of the houses? Because ZA seem to act like one, along with it's "Lord-Commander". No, Zoners are a diverse group, by no means united to an extent the term "Alliance" suggests in ZA's name.

claiming that jinx has false information

Quote me saying such in this thread. Or cut your lies.

And I don't select opinions, I think you all along the way stuck with your version of reality while ignoring the true ugly one

You claim not to select opinions, then you do pretty much that, categorize yours as the "true ugly reality" while you discard mine as "my version". Thing is, your "reality" needed two months to actually being backed up by an other person, don't you think that means something?

but when you raise a finger and point someone who is innocent, that is 100% innocent and turn it into a laughing stock, guess who would I be in favour with?

I don't find them innocent and I've stated my reasons not to find them innocent several times already. They made their mistakes, who else should bear the consequences of those mistakes than them?

@Thyrzul - okay, but if you put the pistol in the murderer's hand, do you bare no fault if you end up getting shot?

So, you are saying it's Cannon's fault then? Because he coded the system and he put the PoBs into the game, so technically he put the pistol in the hand of every potential murderer in this game. Is it his fault that people can't use them properly?

You may not have trolled ZA personally, but you did say they deserve to be treated with malice because of how they RP. You say they brought it on themselves. That's what I was referencing.

Not because of how they RP, but because how they ooRP. But yes, basically that.

And you don't just throw up a core 4 base in 5 minutes,.much less 4 bases with turrets. And in your guard system? I'm no detective, but that seems like it should have set off some alarms with somebody before it got to the point it has.

Not 5 minutes, but a day can be enough for that, or at least for two core levels. Either do it fast or do it silent. But it is pretty much possible in my opinion.

On an other note, it is barely relevant, as the Phoenix were all aware of the events, but as you've seen them commenting, they couldn't really do anything against it even when the bases started to pose a threat.

So, as I see it, and based on Quiron's response, it sounds more like Phoenix decided to do nothing more so than they "couldn't" do anything. And that's fine if they decide they don't want to police themselves that way because that's part of being a Zoner. But....decisions have consequences, and now they are obviously seeing the fruits of that decision, eh? That's why I think ZA shouldn't bear all the blame they are getting.

Not "do nothing so they couldn't do anything", but "do nothing BECAUSE they couldn't do anything". There is a huge difference between the two. As long as Official factions have little to no control over their indies, regardless of factions, those indies has to bear full responsibility for their actions.

It's their bases they can do what they want, infact given the situation I actively encourage them to keep it that way, thats sure to raise the pinheads blood pressure.

It's not just the pinheads, it's everybody who's apparently not on the list. It's not just the AI they piss off with it, but pretty much everybody they have already pissed off in the past. But yes, as you said, it's their bases, they can do what they want, and they will suffer from the consequences of what they do. Period.

if the ZA will not listen to the general za-hating-multi-double-standard-pinheads ain't much you can do now isn'ti t?

ZA seems to listen to nobody, so yep, there is really not much you can do unless Mr Udent changes his stance. But that's not something I expect him to do after all.

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[Highland Laddie]

Why COULDN'T Phoenix do anything? They may not be able to force ZA to follow their RP, but they COULD have stopped them from building 4 bases with defense turrets at the systems jump holes. You already pointed out the rule (4.7 or whatever) that justifies this.

If you want to blame Canon, you can I guess. But Canon didn't sit by and watch ZA build the bases. Nor is his job to, really, unless he wants to. But its your analogy I'm trying to work with here. For a comparison, BAF catches wind of an unauthorized base, they mobilize and blow it to crap. Sounds to me like Phoenix either got caught napping majorly while their guard system got comandeered (and if so, shame on them), or they got suckered by ZA into believing they were justified in having so many armed bases there (again, shame on them).

And again....no one is asking the Order, AI, or Phoenix to ceasefire. All the poo is being flung at the ZA for staying fairly true to their established RP (barring some rough edges already discussed). I find that disingenuous.

Maybe the real solution would be to make Zoners an npc-only faction....?

[Mercarryn]

Well, Highland Laddie. The thing is: Omicron 74 was former Omicroners Guard system. It does NOT belong to Phoenix at this time.
And RedEclipse and Quiron have already explained their reason why they at first have let ZA build those bases.

Me as Order indie don't mind the fact, that ZA built those bases. Kappa Defense and Zoner Guard 74 (which only belongs to Tel-Aviv) were set up to stop nomad indies raid ZA and Omicron 74 constantly. That more or less did work out. Though I am still of the opinion they should have asked Order to help them out instead of doing it in their own.

[Lythrilux]

Jesus christ, can't we just freakin' wipe o-74?
This mess is tearing the community apart.
Tel, can't you get ZA to give up their bases? Neither side of this war is willing to do anything to bring it to a halt. Admins aren't doing much either if I'm honest.
Isn't there any compromise we could come to Tel? I wouldn't mind some sort of rollback where ZA can try again

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[Thyrzul]

Why COULDN'T Phoenix do anything? They may not be able to force ZA to follow their RP, but they COULD have stopped them from building 4 bases with defense turrets at the systems jump holes. You already pointed out the rule (4.7 or whatever) that justifies this.

And that rule basically worth horsecrap. Restricting base construction for other Zoners barely counts as canon, so no, Phoenix had no power to prevent base construction.

If you want to blame Canon, you can I guess. But Canon didn't sit by and watch ZA build the bases.

No, I didn't blame Cannon, it was you who suggested that through that metaphor. You said who gave the gun in the hand of the murder is pretty much at fault in the murder. I just paired the context of your metaphor with the context of the current situation.

For a comparison, BAF catches wind of an unauthorized base, they mobilize and blow it to crap. Sounds to me like Phoenix either got caught napping majorly while their guard system got comandeered (and if so, shame on them), or they got suckered by ZA into believing they were justified in having so many armed bases there (again, shame on them).

So you blame Phoenix for being nice to ZA and getting two wars in return? What's wrong with you, seriously? You talk about them like they would have nothing else to do than babysitting the inhabitants of O74 24/7, and keep track of every molecule in that bloody system every moment.

And note, Zoners, unlike BAF, are not a house military.

And again....no one is asking the Order, AI, or Phoenix to ceasefire. All the poo is being flung at the ZA for staying fairly true to their established RP (barring some rough edges already discussed). I find that disingenuous.

Nobody had to, these parties have provided their terms and conditions, which in case are met can finally lead to said ceasefire. The outcome of the whole was all up to ZA, agree with those terms, negotiate them or deny and go on with their stubbornness. You can guess by the events which option they decided.

Maybe the real solution would be to make Zoners an npc-only faction....?

Maybe. Maybe the lore should been adjusted and fixed so we will finally get rid of the controversial contents. Or maybe just people need to learn to play them properly.

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