Titan vs

[mjolnir]

Mjonlir, yes, but you'll agree that Chimaera is a lot harder to hit then Titan.

I didn't say that I usually won ;)But 1 on 1 was doable. 3 on 3 against 3 RTs also.

Anyway..I was just commenting that I know how it feels... back on topic please.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[Othman]

I thought this was a comparison between VHFs, not bombers:dry:

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[onca]

Again... the problem is not Titan's armour or firepower. The problem is it's wings and equipment are attached with blue-tack. You can have all the plating and gun slots you want, but if you can't shoot back you're just a flying dead man.

Coupled with the fact Titan presents the biggest target of all the VHFs (except perhaps Werewolf), and it has a powerful electromagnet which attracts missiles.... another 4k armour or 2 gun slots (which I think is getting silly) will help, but not by much. The extremities need to be strengthened.

[mjolnir]

Again... the problem is not Titan's armour or firepower. The problem is it's wings and equipment are attached with blue-tack. You can have all the plating and gun slots you want, but if you can't shoot back you're just a flying dead man.

Coupled with the fact Titan presents the biggest target of all the VHFs (except perhaps Werewolf), and it has a powerful electromagnet which attracts missiles.... another 4k armour or 2 gun slots (which I think is getting silly) will help, but not by much. The extremities need to be strengthened.

They already were strengthened once.... and it's really not that easy to blast them off now...but the wings are a big target yes...

yet it took some 1/2 and 6+ Sabres shooting on Carlos to blast his both wings off.... he also lost 2/3 of nanobots in the process.

Same in the last battle... one Titan lost a wing... after loosing over half bots and taking hits for quite some time.

Also from the side...Titan is quite small target... Avenger/Nepthylys/Guardian is a bigger one. Templar maybe also. And without wings... it's just about impossible to hit the Titan.

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[pchwang]

And without wings... it's just about impossible to hit the Titan.

Hmmm....It's also impossible shoot back or defend yourself!

I think that the thrusters and turret depend on the existence of the top wing. The wings' HPs need to be increased besides the 4k hull increase.

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[Razr]

They already were strengthened once.... and it's really not that easy to blast them off now...but the wings are a big target yes...

yet it took some 1/2 and 6+ Sabres shooting on Carlos to blast his both wings off.... he also lost 2/3 of nanobots in the process.

Same in the last battle... one Titan lost a wing... after loosing over half bots and taking hits for quite some time.

Also from the side...Titan is quite small target... Avenger/Nepthylys/Guardian is a bigger one. Templar maybe also. And without wings... it's just about impossible to hit the Titan.

I agree on titans having decent wing strength, even after losing most your bots you can't lose a wing unless that's the goal. Although I don't think the titan is hard to hit at all, I remember in one fight you alone killed 4 titans in about 6 minutes. You could say they were piloted badly, but put the same people in a Blood Dragon, now that is hard to hit.

With the Sabre's speed compared to the Titan's you can attack from any angle you see fit, so even if from the side it was a hard target (Which is where the wings are), it's not like you'd attack in that area anyways.

Just my two cents.

[globalplayer-svk]

and it will be not better make only new non vannila hitbox for titan? as have all non vannila ships? i mean when you hit for example viper with nuce mine it make 10 000 hull damage,damage to guns and enough,if you hit titan, you can have armor upgrade 8 and you are dead. titan without vanila problem of destructible parst and multiple hitbox, it will be still slower as most VHF,but more powerfull as other VHF.

and about increasiing decurion power and agility etc. maybe good idea,but why make that so HF replace VHF?

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[Yngen]

Replace all Vanilla ships with remodals, capital ships as well-its the only way to improve balance.

We can continue tweaking these ships for years and come back to this same argument a lot older. I feel for McNeo. Having argued about ship balance in the past myself and been so utterly frustrated by it before I now have no patience for it.

So I say bring the revolution: complete player wipe, replacement of all vanilla ships with similar non-component models.

Eliminate the component vulnerability of vanilla ships and you are free to diversify within each ship class for variety without having any impossible balancing problems.

We solve three problems this way: cap whores have to start over again and we'll have a respite, possible player file corruption will be eliminated improving server performance and we get our new balanceable ship fleet.

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[mjolnir]

Replace all Vanilla ships with remodals

First... this is a LOT of work... but if then...

all mines and missiles would need to have 2 or 3 times the damage that they have now... otherwise they will be useless.

If both of those things are done it might be nice...

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@Razr... yes 4 Titans jousting me head on in a straight line.. while you scream at them on TS to leave me :P

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Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.

[bluntpencil2001]

Mines rip non-vanilla ships apart too. Try fighting with all your guns shot off. Not fun.

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