Who is the Liberty Government?

[Altejago]

Was an error on my part. In my brief search up on =LSF= I didn't see their faction tracker.

Here, allow me to rectify.

Crackpunch, LibGov is about as useful as Waikato Hospital, which is saying something.. What can I say? It is what it is.

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[Bootsiuv]

Lolrawr, that answer smacks of elitism.

Why is it assumed that if I haven't joined an official faction I'm automatically less able to rp, think about strategy, diplomacy, lore, etc. etc.

Platinum is a fine example....look at them for an example of a well run unofficial faction that I would have NO PROBLEM with letting into the lib gov.

At least then, ish might actually get done.

As most know the only interaction I've had with the Lib gov, they chose to ignore the rp until I said "ok I'll withdraw the lawsuit"...then, AND ONLY THEN, did the "republic of Liberty" decide to chime in and charge me 300 mills.

Total inrp steamroll and a bunch of junk.

Meh, skype contacts alte....no more no less.

[Sarawr!?]

Lolrawr, that answer smacks of elitism.

Why is it assumed that if I haven't joined an official faction I'm automatically less able to rp, think about strategy, diplomacy, lore, etc. etc.

That isn't the assumption, and that isn't what I said.

The fact of the matter is, without representing an official group, or without being a part of an official group, how under Discovery's system of doing things, would you be able to be in a position that would enable you to change the diplomatic standing, or the laws governing the factions that comprise any given "House", or any other entity like that?

It's not elitism, that's the way it works on Discovery, and it has ever since I joined in 2008.

I wanted to be part of the story at large, I wanted to have an effect on the story at large, so I joined official factions, and now I do have the ability to change things, and now I do have the ability to drive some faction and story based elements in a specific direction.

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[Bootsiuv]

Lolrawr, that answer smacks of elitism.

Why is it assumed that if I haven't joined an official faction I'm automatically less able to rp, think about strategy, diplomacy, lore, etc. etc.

That isn't the assumption, and that isn't what I said.

The fact of the matter is, without representing an official group, or without being a part of an official group, how under Discovery's system of doing things, would you be able to be in a position that would enable you to change the diplomatic standing, or the laws governing the factions that comprise any given "House", or any other entity like that?

It's not elitism, that's the way it works on Discovery, and it has ever since I joined in 2008.

I wanted to be part of the story at large, I wanted to have an effect on the story at large, so I joined official factions, and now I do have the ability to change things, and now I do have the ability to drive some faction and story based elements in a specific direction.

And groups like Platinum don't?

[Sarawr!?]

What Platinum -should- do, is apply for officialdom after fleshing out and solidifying their faction information page and the like (If they haven't already).

I never claimed to have anything against that group, and I've rather liked the few encounters I've had with them, in fact.

Still however, they need to be an official faction before they'd be granted any power over decision or policymaking in "Lib Gov".

That doesn't mean they can't still have interesting, fun, or purposeful RP interactions with other Libertonian groups though, not at all.

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[Bootsiuv]

What Platinum -should- do, is apply for officialdom after fleshing out and solidifying their faction information page and the like (If they haven't already).

I never claimed to have anything against that group, and I've rather liked the few encounters I've had with them, in fact.

Still however, they need to be an official faction before they'd be granted any power over decision or policymaking in "Lib Gov".

That doesn't mean they can't still have interesting, fun, or purposeful RP interactions with other Libertonian groups though, not at all.

Fair enough.

I just disagree with the notion that officialdom = smarter, better, or more knowledgeable on lore.

Some officials are wuts, while many indies/unofficials are much more of the above. These have been my experiences anyways.

[Soul Reaper]

Right ok. Hi.

Now, I'm going to be giving some info on what the Liberty Gov is, ye. Now you see, on discovery, each and every faction is actually independent, there is no such thing as governments player-wise, they simply don't exist. As an example, the [LN] (ye I kno Sarah, but, still gonna use the [LN] for the bad examples ) could easily do some RP with a non-liberty group and grant them access to Liberty ships and equipment and the =LSF= or LPI- wouldn't be able to do anything about it, the same goes for the =LSF= and LPI-, they're all independent from each other ooRP and admin-wise.

The "Liberty Government Chat™" was a group formed up of the leaders (and/or 2iCs) of the directly-Liberty affiliated factions. That is, the Liberty Navy, the Liberty Security Force, the Liberty Police Inc, Ageira, Deep Space Engineering and Universal Shipping.

Now this "Government" basically votes and discusses things that have to do Liberty-wise, it is there in order to have more RP-sense instead of the complete independence of the factions, as that doesn't really make that much sense all the time. Basically, how it works, is that whenever someone contacts an official Liberty faction, it is generally forwarded to the Liberty Government. For example people make comm posts to the [LN] all the time for different reasons (be it bases, or permission for cap ships, or even requests to use the liberty line of ships) and the [LN] responds, but in reality it all goes through the Liberty Government which consists of almost all the factions' leadership in Liberty. Now, you all might have already known this, but I just want to be sure.

Ok now the real part, and my answer to this whole thread:

The Liberty Government, just like any other group has gone through many changes, some for the bad, some for the worse. Right now the most "influential" people in the Government are generally the [LN] and the =LSF= as well as the LPI, and then there's Max that does all our forum work for us because we're all lazy bastards. While every member does have a vote, it's mainly the "military forces" that have the most sway, and the vote's power may change according to what we're dealing with. For example if something comes up with an enemy intelligence faction involved, it's mostly the =LSF= which holds the reigns.

Now let me get to your "points". Trust me on this one, the [LN] members of the Lib Gov do -not- hold the reigns nor do they push people around saying "this is going to happen", that just does not happen. Although I'll admit it's mostly me on the =LSF= side that starts making problems and interdicts every single damn thing the [LN] might do, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

To another point of yours, we did get your request to be in the Government Chat again after both you and Widow had left because you were "leaving discovery". The thing about the Government is that everyone in it has a different opinion, there might be 2 LSF members or 3 LN ones but their opinions are generally different from each other, which is why the system works. And after doing a discussion and..vote, we had decided (although we didn't come to a full conclusion) that you shouldn't really be around the whole decision making, there were many other important factors involved but this is not a place to talk about it, you can hit us up on Skype if you really want to know the details.

Now let's see.."leaves the diplomacy to once-was faction leaders", not really, as I've said before, the people with the most influence in the Lib Gov are the LSF, LN and LPI, whose leaders are in the chat and are all active factions.

And uhh, weekends? Not really, we're lazy throughout the whole week and due to time differences, someone just links something in the chat and we all put our opinions on it whenever people come online, sure, it's not perfect but it works.

And now for your suggestion. "Make a political party to contend with the leading body and continue with how the democracy should be." I'll just blurt it out here, that probably won't be happening, ever. Wanna know why? Well, I already explained it somewhere above there, the Gov Chat was only made by official factions, factions that have power admin-wise to actually do things, each of them are independent from each other but we chose not to be, sure you can make a "party" against the government but it won't really go anywhere. You can call it a conspiracy if you want, but our system works, because we're the official factions who don't have to make a government anyway, but we decided to, again, Governments aren't a real thing RP-faction-wise.

What I'm trying to say is, in its pure form, the "Republic of Liberty Government" is essentially a Skype Group Chat and nothing more.

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[Altejago]

You forget one thing Repur.

We were the founding few that started it, long before you came along.

We left the chat a long time ago, not because 'we were leaving Discovery', oh no.

It was when it was filled with people who we did not see eye to eye with. People with troll capabilities like yourself.

You're a new comer, and you weren't there for its original intentions. You're just there now due to your assimilation of a dying faction that now has some flame to it.

Now, sure we rage quit when we were ganged up on for not following the others point of view, and simply put it's hard to work with people whose sole goal is to piss others off.

I'll give you credit, you're not the undesirable you used to be (at least not from the outside at this current point) but you're still an added member because of what you took over. But alas, when you took over there were several misgivings including the attacks on Melbourne under your supervision. The point is, everyone cocks up.

You got many chances, and I still get many chances. But the bottom line is that you and others that share your opinion decided that DSE) officials are not 'needed in your skype group'. I'll keep that in mind for future endeavours considering you're no saint either.

EDIT: If you believe you have a right because you took over an official faction, then as the largest non-military official faction that we built up, we deserve a representative in the 'skype group' as well.

EDIT 2: And we do have an 'admin' to represent us. Someone to oversee the goings of the RP. You don't get to monopolize our RP.

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[Cryer Pharmaceuticals!]

*walks up to libgov hq in best clothes with bunch of flowers*

*peeks thru window, sees everyone having a great time and laughing and flirting with Platinum*

*throws flowers in bin and runs away crying*


hey altejago at least you got to get excluded, rather than forgotten and left in political limbo

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[Sly]

Some officials are wuts, while many indies/unofficials are much more of the above. These have been my experiences anyways.

Tough luck.