The NZA and YOU

[Hell Hunter]

wtf is NZA

Nazi Zombie alliance.

I would compare common sense and (somewhat) cooperative-ness but of course the forums rules is made for primary school children.

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[Sabru]

The problem with the ZA is that they don't understand.

Lore? Nope.
Zoners? Nope.
Server rules? Barely.
English? They're on par with bing translate.

People might say I troll the ZA, but I have acquired evidence of the above; so really I'm just making a conclusion.

Is anything I've said relevant to this thread? It doesn't matter because flood.

I think virtually everyone who plays in the Order and multiple other factions have evidence on this. So much that so far the mountain of it in the Sanction thread is still being processed and has takens a few months to get through, with no sanction yet to date.

So in turn. We dance, RP having a few drinks (Or one too many), cheer, laugh, enjoy firivilous merryment and go back to the daily grind the next day.

EXACTLY THE WHOLE SITUATION

Since no sanctions have amounted yet from the mountains of evidence, we'll take any form of enjoyment we can. in this case, thats an inRP party over livadia with copious amounts of booze, and everyone coming, going and having a good time without being relentlessly pewed by bases that have no actual RP.

And the bases just being there doesnt really make them have RP. the only way they had gotten away with them, was because they played nice until they were core 4. that and the glaring loophole regarding zoners that has allowed them to do this.

thats all im saying

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[DarthBindo]

I see Zoner drama hasn't ceased while I've been enjoying the hot Texas weather.

Omicroner 2.0, and that's a jab at both the NZA AND the current incarnation of the OSI.
And Lusitano, too, but only because Riezabagel isn't here to relentlessly mock and do his gosh darn tootinest to insult me with his toilet humour, protracted spelling, and grammar like an Englishman speaking Finnish (Don't even, Finland. 16 declinations? How bout no. I'll stick with the latin and proto-germanic roots, thank you kindly.)

Since no sanctions have amounted yet from the mountains of evidence, we'll take any form of enjoyment we can. in this case, thats an inRP party over livadia with copious amounts of booze, and everyone coming, going and having a good time without being relentlessly pewed by bases that have no actual RP.

And the bases just being there doesnt really make them have RP. the only way they had gotten away with them, was because they played nice until they were core 4. that and the glaring loophole regarding zoners that has allowed them to do this.

thats all im saying

Gimme a sec with this one.

EDIT: Here we go.
If you derive enjoyment from sanctions, you're doing it wrong. Sanctions should make us sad. I know I'm sad when I think something is worth posting a report (I never do anyways though, too much work, not enough point/gain).
Sanctions are neither sword nor shield for you to wield, but rules for all to live by.
A sanction means that someone, somewhere, has messed up, and has done so badly enough to break the immersion or balance of this game we play for fun, and has therefore made or tried to make or helped in making it Not Fun.
You cannot win by sanction. It is a hollow, Pyrrhic victory that leaves everyone a little bit older, a little bit wiser, and a whole lot more sad.
The number one tool, YOUR number one tool, when it comes to breaches of the rules, should be engagement. Engaging in a friendly, informative, open dialogue (yeah i know what you were thinking there) to do your damnedest to ensure the situation is not merely punished but explained and fixed. This is the attitude we should all take when first encountering those who might not know better.
That is the attitude that helped fix the Mollys and the BAF (late 4.85 mollys were embarrassingly oorp and the BAF had indie problems with lolengaging) by bringing the black sheep of Dublin (whether it be the molly indies protecting BMM miners and fighting with the IMG or the BAF indies bringing a dozen caps to shoot a single fighter silently and then reengaging) back into the fold of proper, lore-based roleplay and honest, honourable warfare.

Next on the DarthBindo Channel, we talk about roleplay!
And also, a brief primer on the history and lore of Omicron-74.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Champ]

Some posts have been removed at the request of the poster.

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[Sabru]

EDIT: Here we go.
If you derive enjoyment from sanctions, you're doing it wrong. Sanctions should make us sad. I know I'm sad when I think something is worth posting a report (I never do anyways though, too much work, not enough point/gain).
Sanctions are neither sword nor shield for you to wield, but rules for all to live by.
A sanction means that someone, somewhere, has messed up, and has done so badly enough to break the immersion or balance of this game we play for fun, and has therefore made or tried to make or helped in making it Not Fun.
You cannot win by sanction. It is a hollow, Pyrrhic victory that leaves everyone a little bit older, a little bit wiser, and a whole lot more sad.
The number one tool, YOUR number one tool, when it comes to breaches of the rules, should be engagement. Engaging in a friendly, informative, open dialogue (yeah i know what you were thinking there) to do your damnedest to ensure the situation is not merely punished but explained and fixed. This is the attitude we should all take when first encountering those who might not know better.
That is the attitude that helped fix the Mollys and the BAF (late 4.85 mollys were embarrassingly oorp and the BAF had indie problems with lolengaging) by bringing the black sheep of Dublin (whether it be the molly indies protecting BMM miners and fighting with the IMG or the BAF indies bringing a dozen caps to shoot a single fighter silently and then reengaging) back into the fold of proper, lore-based roleplay and honest, honourable warfare.

Next on the DarthBindo Channel, we talk about roleplay!
And also, a brief primer on the history and lore of Omicron-74.

I think you misunderstand that. we, or i depending on how you want to look at it, dont derive enjoyment from sanctions.

As for the " Engaging in a friendly, informative, open dialogue (yeah i know what you were thinking there) to do your damnedest to ensure the situation is not merely punished but explained and fixed."
Ask anyone has had involvement in the 74 kerfuffle, that has been tried and tried again. but when you are trying to discuss things with people who will not compromise, who wilfully ignore ALL standing lore and who demand things that are completely ridiculous and detrimental, it quickly devolves into what we have now.

I get the feeling you are clueless on the whole matter.

I'd try and run through everything, but at least 1 (or more) of the following things would happen:

1. you ignoring everything i would say
2. Someone from ZA posting in here and raging.
3. ZA QQ'ing to mods to get this thread closed, or "cleaned" of comments which dont portray the ZA in a "good", albeit highly delusional, light.
4. Mods just doing it as part of the conspiracy.

so TL;DR:
Been there, tried that, Doesnt work due to ZA's collective delusions of grandeur. that and flawed and/or lack of game mechanics and rules.

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[Anaximander]

Honestly, if people were giving me the treatment ZA have been given, I would also stop listening to "friendly advice" on how I should be playing and enjoying this game.

[tothebonezone]

Jokes on you Anax, no one enjoys video games.

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[Anaximander]

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EDIT: Also it seems like the admins have gotten around to work on that pile of reports:

http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=103278

Heh.

[DarthBindo]

As for the " Engaging in a friendly, informative, open dialogue (yeah i know what you were thinking there) to do your damnedest to ensure the situation is not merely punished but explained and fixed."
Ask anyone has had involvement in the 74 kerfuffle, that has been tried and tried again.

Openly mocking a faction, it's leaders, and any member within arm's reach is not a bloody friendly dialogue. Doing so repeatedly? Even. less. so.

but when you are trying to discuss things with people who will not compromise, who wilfully ignore ALL standing lore and who demand things that are completely ridiculous and detrimental, it quickly devolves into what we have now.

Refusing to bend to the wills of others is not compromise.
And, pray tell, what is it they demand that the OSI and the TAZ do not take for granted? Please tell me what lore the NZA ignores that any official Zoner faction follows?
Not to mention that by rule 4.2 any guard IFF'ed ship has the right to attack and destroy foreign ships moving through a Guard system, and by common practice they have the assumed responsibility of doing so.

I get the feeling you are clueless on the whole matter.

I get the distinct impression that, despite being in possession of "all the facts", you are indeed very much more clueless than I.

I'd try and run through everything, but at least 1 (or more) of the following things would happen:

1. you ignoring everything i would say
2. Someone from ZA posting in here and raging.
3. ZA QQ'ing to mods to get this thread closed, or "cleaned" of comments which dont portray the ZA in a "good", albeit highly delusional, light.
4. Mods just doing it as part of the conspiracy.
so TL;DR:
Been there, tried that, Doesnt work due to ZA's collective delusions of grandeur. that and flawed and/or lack of game mechanics and rules.

If this is the manner in which you tried to "help" the NZA, It's no wonder it hasn't worked.
In this single post you managed to demean my intelligence, my wisdom, discount my judgement and my experience, and insult alongside myself the entirety of the ZA and the entirety of the moderator staff, in barbed words from a cutting tongue meant for no other purpose than to cause injury, and I? I have responded in kind.
Debate is no place for straw man arguments, tin foil hat conspiracies, ad hominem attacks nor circular reasoning.
I am very much aware of your attempts to help, handing down ultimatums and appealing to authority as if you were Caesar, and you the least aggressive of the lot!
All the others call for blood, gallons of it, for an entire player faction and all of their work to be wiped from the server, and you have the gall to tell me "we try to negotiate"?
They talk in skype channels of the "raeg" they inflict and wish to inflict further upon the ZA and you say, "we tried to be friendly"?
Fie upon you, sirrah.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Huhuh]

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