Proposal: Remove Battleships from the Zoner ID.

[Arioch]

I actually am not speaking of just you/the ZA, I'm speaking in general. After my hiatus, coming back and seeing everyone have one (Before all this Anti-ZA crap), I already was saddened so to speak.

No where in my posts in this thread have been directed at any one group specifically. It was meant as a general statement. Hence why I said in my initial post that I would be prepared if I lost mine, and would be willing to put forth the extra effort to get it. Also no where did I say you had a lacking backstory. All I said was that for people who don't fall under an Official Faction or SRP, including yourself, perhaps an avenue could be provided to allow you to provide the proof, like a simpler SRP request, that won't cost money. Just a paragraph or two with a decent RP reason to have a ship that, via it's info card/lore, shouldn't be common. So the stigma that everyone has a Neph is not directed to ZA, it's all Zoners. The phrase "zonerzonerzoner" was here WAY before you or the ZA came around, so don't take it personally. As someone who RP's a Zoner, even I would like it to be restricted, even if that means I lose mine for a time.

Edit: I forgot to add booze in there.

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[Sabru]

I actually am not speaking of just you/the ZA, I'm speaking in general. After my hiatus, coming back and seeing everyone have one (Before all this Anti-ZA crap), I already was saddened so to speak.

No where in my posts in this thread have been directed at any one group specifically. It was meant as a general statement. Hence why I said in my initial post that I would be prepared if I lost mine, and would be willing to put forth the extra effort to get it. Also no where did I say you had a lacking backstory. All I said was that for people who don't fall under an Official Faction or SRP, including yourself, perhaps an avenue could be provided to allow you to provide the proof, like a simpler SRP request, that won't cost money. Just a paragraph or two with a decent RP reason to have a ship that, via it's info card/lore, shouldn't be common. So the stigma that everyone has a Neph is not directed to ZA, it's all Zoners. The phrase "zonerzonerzoner" was here WAY before you or the ZA came around, so don't take it personally. As someone who RP's a Zoner, even I would like it to be restricted, even if that means I lose mine for a time.

obligatory +1

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[Duvelske]

Your average Zoner does not need a capital warship. They're in tight with the Order in case something goes horribly wrong in the Omicrons. They can go hide in Baffin if things get pants-soilingly bad in the Taus. The Sigmas are pretty close to the Omicrons. Same with the Omegas.

Now, add in the question of "who really wants to kill Zoners?" and you've led to the question, "do random Zoners really need battleships?"

No. They don't.

In short same applies for IMG and dozens of other factions. Restricting people their freedom of choice will only backfire and make the community seem even more hard to join in to.

Of course, there are a couple official Zoner factions that could use one or two -- Phoenix and TAZ for example. Thankfully, TAZ already has an ID of their own. Phoenix doesn't, but they could get a SRP one if they wanted to.

Hmm why does phoenix need caps as you state they are so protected by the order? Maybe ONE srp one.. but that would be it. TAZ well are more in need of caps indeed, but also protected by the Council and Colonial republic. But against Gallia it will be a BIG fight indeed.

Just remove them from the ID. A destroyer is plenty for your average Zoner.

The Zoners have all sorts of fancy toys beacuse Jinx has the models for them.

True story.

This keeps getting suggested over and over, but devs keep ignoring it.

Blaming Jinx for Zoner conspiracy.

Guess you never seen the Red hessian army? Or Corsairs or outcasts for example? Not that they need bs ships, but well if you give their enemies bs ships you must ballance the other factions too.

Just remove them from the ID. A destroyer is plenty for your average Zoner.

Same idea as with IMG why does a miner faction need access to battleships? Could also meantion the red hessians, or any other faction. Or perhaps the corsairs. as they are struggling inRP for their lives. The GMG and Junkers do not have access to BS ships nor have their own BS shiplines. Could ask the same why don't they have em? but for instance the red hessians have? And why doesn't have Dauman, Kruger or ALG have access to at least cruisers or BS ships while their enemies have? Also liberty, why did only the HF have access to bs ships there? And not xeno for example? because they are inRP too small? how did it make sense HF had bs ships then? And lane hackers which got theirs removed? And the other factions there which also don't have caps, but several ones in kusari have for instance.

As I guess its AGAIN *sighs* about the o-74 incident that happened in the past. LET IT BLOODY REST. Its over, move on. All sides have learned from it and just have fun now and let it be history. (don't start discussing on this just a note to keep it in the past)

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[Zen_Mechanics]

Hey .. bud I get it but not all of my chars are ZA, in fact I only own a fighter. This comes from me self unbiased and not related to ZA. Now I'll rush to the common ground and say, if it changes I'm not going to shout about it with upper case comments, but I think they* should provide us with a good reason for doing it, not taking the piss from caplols.

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[tothebonezone]

Guess you never seen the Red hessian army? Or Corsairs or outcasts for example? Not that they need bs ships, but well if you give their enemies bs ships you must ballance the other factions too.

Hi, it's me again.

Zoners actually don't have any ingame enemies besides the Nomads, but the Nomads are enemies with everyone anyway.

Therefore, by your logic, the LPI should have battleships, and so should DSE and whatnot.

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[Ivan]

Just remove them from the ID. A destroyer is plenty for your average Zoner.

Same idea as with IMG why does a miner faction need access to battleships? Could also meantion the red hessians, or any other faction. Or perhaps the corsairs. as they are struggling inRP for their lives. The GMG and Junkers do not have access to BS ships nor have their own BS shiplines. Could ask the same why don't they have em? but for instance the red hessians have? And why doesn't have Dauman, Kruger or ALG have access to at least cruisers or BS ships while their enemies have? Also liberty, why did only the HF have access to bs ships there? And not xeno for example? because they are inRP too small? how did it make sense HF had bs ships then? And lane hackers which got theirs removed? And the other factions there which also don't have caps, but several ones in kusari have for instance.

As I guess its AGAIN *sighs* about the o-74 incident that happened in the past. LET IT BLOODY REST. Its over, move on. All sides have learned from it and just have fun now and let it be history. (don't start discussing on this just a note to keep it in the past)

I agree IMG doesn't really need battleships. I'm not even sure if they're to have these in the future anyway. GMG has 3 battleships IRP, but as official faction leaders have stated multiple times, they don't really want to have regular caps for indies.
Junkers (and corporations such as Kruger, Daumann and ALG) don't have any goals that require usage of battleships. Plus they're to be protected by the law enforcement agencies, government, et cetera.

I know these're just examples, but these're bad examples.

[Echo 7-7]

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Guess you never seen the Red hessian army? Or Corsairs or outcasts for example? Not that they need bs ships, but well if you give their enemies bs ships you must ballance the other factions too.

Please, tell me more about how every single faction should be granted access to Battleships.

<willful ignorance of mod development context>

Not going to respond to that part. Not all factions are equal, but this is a roleplay server, so this should be a well-understood fact.

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[Lythrilux]

Yes, I agree.
Not only should zoners not have them inRP, but the average zoner really can't be trusted with these tools they abuse.

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[Hannibal]

Another Capital Ship[zoner] or POB thread about SRP?
That's just great..






We all know that this is not a problem about ships or pobs for that matter ,but the person who use them the way you do not want,so..why do we need so much threads on this matter anyway?

My $0.02 is that in omicrons you should be required to SRP a fighter/bomber/gunboat because it makes no sense to fly one such far away from civilisation and not even consider other dangerous threats,such as nomads,but only the space the surrounds your tiny little ship and no facilities that are require in order to sustain human life forms or otherwise[dogs,trolls,ai,..some of the recent factions *facepalm * ] for an extended period of time.

Now from a different point of view,the one of game balance:this class exist for the sole purpose of being apart of the mini game we used it for so long..Paper,Scissors,Rock played with space 'boats

FYI: Long Live the ZA Supreme Race
^ this is the true reason this thread was bring back to life once again

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People want to believe that God has a plan for them.
They don't wanna believe that anyone else does..

[tothebonezone]

I have an extra chromosome!

I think I speak for all of us, or rather, just myself, when I say:

You should never procreate. In fact, you should just fall into a particularly deep and empty well.




More reasonable answer:

Why would you fly the biggest, slowest things around, that could be easily picked off by, say, a swarm of bombers?

I can show you what happens when the K'Hara swarm a battleship. I recorded a video earlier.

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