I wanted to replace all the jugs with Jinx's leviathan model tbh but feared the Zoner Q-Q would be massive because it's not as good a PvP ship as the Jug.
(oh and doesn't work so well with some equipment too I hear)
I still like the idea of changing it to something that isn't so dangerous. I think it might be interesting to give it more armor, either no turrets or just some sort or point defense weapons, and built in hangar bays, so that it is something more than a liner but nothing like a warship, make it more like the mobile freeport that it should be.
About half the admins are devs, but the release of the POBs, the cloaks, and many other things without rules released simultaneously with these additions should indicate that we admins who aren't devs have to wait just like everyone else to see what is released.
Mainly, I hear, because the dev team is a messy untidy affair. I used to mess with modding systems yrs ago and I look at Disco today and it's workload and all I can do is cringe.
edit add: before some one on the other team nails me with it, yes I was asked to join the team several times and didn't so I shouldn't complain
As jinx did put out earlier in this topic its for the Officials to sort out. TAZ and Phoenix could decide to let the open zoner id to have max access to the gunboats. OSI is excluded as they do not have access to the cruisers nor bs ships. But i would say if TAZ and Phoenix would decide this, do not forget that it will be more hard to get one. It would in a way be the same as in the k'hara. Which have also ships which are only available when you are a member of the faction.
Also what do you guys expect? If the TAZ and Phoenix would decide this. What will happen with the old ships currently owned by non faction members? All just deleted on request on the official faction? (also all those Order and Outcast id'ed ships would suffer the same faith)
Also do not forget that Zoners don't make that much of a mess with the rules. Are other factions for example which also have problems. If the TAZ and phoenix would decide this then i would suggest to make all the cruisers/bs ships only available for the official factions. but this last is just my 2 cents. But honestly i would say keep it as it is. Its just over exadurated and blown up out of proportion by many people.
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Also it seems its just more food for the people who want to find others who also dislike the ZA and just try another way to hold grudges against someone. Just stop it and don't say zoner this zoner that.. I could say LN or even FREELANCER (the id). as many just silent engage like hell. its not the Factions, but the players who make a mess. Do not mix this up.
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(08-22-2013, 08:56 PM)Duvelske Wrote: As jinx did put out earlier in this topic its for the Officials to sort out.
Official can request changes to their ID's but they are not the sole arbiter of their factions, historically the Molly, Xeno, Zoner, Junker, and Hogosha have had their ID's greatly changed by the administrative or development staff without any input whatsoever from the Official factions in charge of the ID's.
NOT TO MENTION that the OSI and TAZ both have their own IDs (which do vary from the Zoner ID), and if we want to get technical can't even ask for changes to the Zoner ID (or issue FR5's).
Jinx is as good a source for factual information as my...well.
You get the point.
(08-22-2013, 08:56 PM)Duvelske Wrote: Also it seems its just more food for the people who want to find others who also dislike the ZA and just try another way to hold grudges against someone. Just stop it and don't say zoner this zoner that.. I could say LN or even FREELANCER (the id). as many just silent engage like hell. its not the Factions, but the players who make a mess. Do not mix this up.
Freelancers don't have capital ships without SRPs and the LN has the resources and manpower and maintenance knowledge to construct and maintain a fleet of capital ships. The Zoners are simply too disorganized to even plan a fleet of capital ships.
In first impression, I was for this change. I mean, not deleting them, but make available them via SRP/Phoenix/TAZ IDs.
But to be honest, I see no reason for such changes, which only affect on Zoners, not on whole disco policy. There's many things in disco which crush logical thinking, and zoner caps are not worst topic.
Such things should be discussed between respective official factions which represent Zoner ID by civilized negotiations with the devs, without rushing and get rid of something just because of 2 days old thread.
(08-22-2013, 09:36 PM)RedEclipse Wrote: In first impression, I was for this change. I mean, not deleting them, but make available them via SRP/Phoenix/TAZ IDs.
But to be honest, I see no reason for such changes, which only affect on Zoners, not on whole disco policy. There's many things in disco which crush logical thinking, and zoner caps are not worst topic.
Such things should be discussed between respective official factions which represent Zoner ID by civilized negotiations with the devs, without rushing and get rid of something just because of 2 days old thread.
Consider this as official Phoenix statement.
Well said, I love how everyone gets hyped up on the off the cuff thread that this was and the mass consensus was to SRP Zoner Caps to certain IDs or remove them altogether not only that but the people also got lost in their own whining so much so they actually expected this to be actioned, HUH?
I don't blame zelot for starting this mindless ranting and ridiculous thread I blame Kazinsal and all SHEEP who followed in his footsteps I blame you to!
What has come of your ranting, nothing as not even Phoenix agree with you.
(08-22-2013, 10:06 PM)Black Widow Wrote: I don't blame zelot for starting this mindless ranting and ridiculous thread I blame Kazinsal and all SHEEP who followed in his footsteps I blame you to!
What has come of your ranting, nothing as not even Phoenix agree with you.
Haha, Epic Fail!
No need to be so smug and gloat about it, Kazinsal like anyone is allowed to his propose ideas forward, how it react is a different thing.
To elaborate RedEclipse comment, he only disagree with the current notion due to where it is heading. It is because these changes are long term, and the people or the groups who currently abuses Zoner ships comes and go quickly. Ideas such as this should be discussed between the factions and devs, certainly not through trial by forum because it may end up with more problems.
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