Corsair and Xeno alliance?

[Xing]

riiight...
xenos hate outsiders, it's a bit like the KKK, but even more violent, and completely illegal.
so, no corsairs certainly.

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[McNeo]

Associating Xenos with Xenophobia is an incorrect assumption, for the following reasons.

Liberty named them the Xenos, and it is true, they are Xenophobic to some extent.

However, their targets are Foreign Shippers, not everyone and anyone who has a slightly different heritage to those in Liberty. Otherwise, we wouldn't see Xenos duking it out with LPI, would we, if that was their only concern.

The fact that the Xenos are looking for an ally heavily implies that the ally they seek is not among Liberty, as the diplomacy in Liberty is already set. Both of the other illegal syndicates are Outcast aligned, the rogues and the hackers. The Junkers are also not a possible ally as they hold the position that the Xenos want; that is, to control all illegal goods to and from Liberty.

If the Xenos were to be showered in money and raw materials by certain factions also opposed to the Outcast dominanace in the area, then you can see how this would benefit both the Corsairs and the Xenos, provided the Corsairs are that supplier. The Corsairs would have a secure way into Liberty for their goods and the Xenos would be rich and well supplied.

I fail to see how that doesn't benefit the Xenos, to be fair.

I know some of your minds are already made up, but please consider these points. The Xenos cannot be defined by the dictionary definition of Xenophobia, as it is the winners who write the history.

[bluntpencil2001]

It would kinda go against the Freelancer feel if Xenos were to have friends, though.

I mean, come on, part of their appeal is the complete down-and-out loser aspect that they have. It's their whole charm.

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[McNeo]

That is true. It is the reason why most of us have a Xenos character.

But, on the other hand, this is an RP server, and many of us including myself crow at times, that people and factions RP should change, or diplomacy should change, or somesuch.

Would it be fair to hold the Xenos back in history while the other factions develop, grow and change, for the sake of gameplay?

If so, then I think some things need to change to allow the flourishing of gameplay.

These things cannot be pick-and-mix...

[Dusty Lens]

I'm going to step back in here to say that I agree with Neo's point on multiple fronts.

First and formost, please begin to look past the name Xeno. Its as though to suggest that the Outcasts should be bereft allies based on the notion that they've been, well, cast out.

The Xeno's primary goal and function is to disrupt the flow of commerce within Liberty towards aims of restoring a people powered labor based industry, as opposed to the current economy which relies heavily upon software and trade-lane licensing, synthfood deals and prisoner labor.

They receive little support in that venture from the other 'unlawful' factions within Liberty due to strongly opposing goals and ideals.

Moving on the model supplied, to suggest that the Xenos would receive financial and military backing from Libertonian export companies but refuse aid from sources outside Liberty is ridiculous. Libertonian companies are preyed upon as muchso as any other, and serve as the foundation of what the Xenos find deplorable: Liberty selling out Libertonians.

The Xenos receive aid from Libertonian export companies (those same companies providing backing in order to empower the Xeno movement out of desire to chip away at foreign business) because without said aid, they would have nothing.

If an organization, to use the Hogosha as a model, were to come forward with promises of further financial backing, ships, equipment and basic necessities, coupled with a story of being in a similar position of wishing to fend of finding their own nation under the thumb of synth foods, Ageira and so on, with their people slowly phased into base servitude... Well, I find it tricky to believe that the Xenos would turn up their noses based upon differences in accent.

This is a Freelancer Mod, which is super grand. Because it gives us a place in which we might play where the balance of power isn't unduly shifted due to momentary popularity or other such issues (I believe you understand what I mean), however, RP 'understandings' and other such agreements are what allow us to make use of the tools left to our disposal for means of interaction, growth and development of plots and intrigue and further utilizations of the tools left to our disposals by the atmosphere of the community.

This is a subject that could receive much further discussion, but I hope I've made the point I was seeking here.

[Yngen]

I would be agreeable to the Xenos having an under the table arrangement with one of the Liberty Corporations.

Looking at how Samura and Hogosha are...do the same thing with Xenos and say...DSE. DSE pays off the Xenos and the Xenos leave DSE alone, even help them by hitting competitors the same way Hogosha hits Kishiro hard at Samura's request.

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[Horon]

Still, Xeno's operate in Liberty, and Corsairs don't really have any REAL business to be in Liberty for any extended periods of time. So an alliance would be rather lived on comms if it were to come to fruition.

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[SimonBlack]

Hope this never happens

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Character background summaries:
Red Hessians Major Matthias Schwarz
Golden Chrysanthemums Chusa Fumiko Shimazu

[McNeo]

I didn't think I'd have to explain why the Corsairs have business in Liberty, but okay.

Where do artifacts sell the best? In fact, the only place you can sell them for any decent sum of cash is in Liberty, really.

Also, it goes like this.

Corsairs --> Hogosha --> Xenos

Right now, the third link, the Xenos, are missing. If the Corsairs dont seem right to be allied to the Xenos, perhaps the Hogosha should try, instead. It serves both their purposes, if you know what I mean. The Hogosha get rid of the Junkers and can ship artifacts to Kusari, while the Xenos become the dominant power in Liberty, while the rogues and hackers continue to ship cardimine.

Simon Black, care to explain why you hold that view?

[Slavik]

Xenos hate all but the zoners, so they hate the hogosha aswell Neo. At the moment there is no real link between the Artifact gatheres and those who buy them in liberty via Kusari. The way they get into the houses( and especially Liberty) is via Yanagi base in the sigmas and Trafalgar base in london. There the Corsair sell the goodies to the junkers who then start to smuggle it to buyers on london, berlin and manhattan.

The Hogosha play no big part in the smuggeling towards any of the other houses except Kusari because of the fact that they would get killed by all the house pirates. They only smuggle the goods from Hawaii to Tokyo and sell it to the shop owners there(yes you can still buy these goodies legally on planet tokyo).

The only way those goods can get from tokyo to new york is via independant smuggelers and not via the link hogosha--> xenos

Cheers,

Dali

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