Bombers VS Capital Ships, Balance Needed

[Scumbag]

I have no caps, never had, i killed a lot of them though, really easy.

[Evo]

What's the matter, upset that cap missiles now have ammo limits?

Oh don't tell me, you're one of the engagabugnugngun all red i c folks that spam cruiser missiles endlessly I ran into so often.

Big guns aren't the solution for everything. You want to eat bombers? Get a fighter or a gunboat. There are already counters for bombers, let's not be whiners and whine about gameplay working as intended. Instead you could maybe, oh I don't know, counter logically instead of kicking and screaming on forums?

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[nOmnomnOm]

I have no caps, never had, i killed a lot of them though, really easy.

Most Cap-flyers i find are the new people that have no experience and just see the biggest ship in game and say "MINE MINE I WANT THAT IM GONNA BE SO BEAST" and then they QQ

On other occasions there are the good ones and they know what they are doing.

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[Evo]

I have no caps, never had, i killed a lot of them though, really easy.

Most Cap-flyers i find are the new people that have no experience and just see the biggest ship in game and say "MINE MINE I WANT THAT IM GONNA BE SO BEAST" and then they QQ

On other occasions there are the good ones and they know what they are doing.

In my opinion, even if they knew what they were doing capitals should not be able to eat bombers alone unless said bombers are suffering from "i bombar, wat do?"

Too many people expecting their huge bulky ship to be able to destroy everything. Before ammo limits you know what I encountered the most that actively hunted me on my xeno? dual-missile LABC's. Bombers should be countered with gunboats or fighters, not a giant capital ship.

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[Valrin]

So...you say SNACs are stupid and should be nerfed...but you also say you kill BS all the time them SNACs...if you hate them why do you use them? Sorry mate but you make NO sense to me.
And a bomber has almost no chance to kill a BS with SNAC shots, the BS shields recharge to fast for that.

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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I SAID, IT MATTERS WHAT I MEANT!!!!

please go learn to english

[Evo]

So...you say SNACs are stupid and should be nerfed...but you also say you kill BS all the time them SNACs...if you hate them why do you use them? Sorry mate but you make NO sense to me.
And a bomber has almost no chance to kill a BS with SNAC shots, the BS shields recharge to fast for that.

SNAC's are not stupid since they force you to get close to hit. All you need is time to kill caps yes, but in that period why not be pro-active and get an actual counter on the way such as a gb or fighter? Unless said cap was expecting to be able to 1v3 bombers if in a battleship, in which case I laugh and say tough luck.

Capital ships are bees against bombers, please introduce a missile launcher class for caps faster then current missiles fast like cruise disrupt and can easily down bombers , i mean capitals are capitals cannot be destroyed by small crafts,

Oh, and tell me more about how the Donau was blown up by small crafts since they, after all, cannot be destroyed by small crafts according to you.

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[Lythrilux]

Oh look, more people QQing about how caps can't kill bombers.
In short, your cap isn't meant to be killing bombers. That's not what capital ships are designed for. Hell, you can already kill snubs by using razors/shock-rays, which is an insta-kill.
If a capital ship meets some bombers and has a hard time against them, that's his fault for not brining his own snubcraft support.
And SNACs being OP? Nah, not really. They require a lot of risk to use and in .87 it's actually harder to aim them at capitals since you need to line yourself up for the snac for a few seconds, putting you at risk of getting stomped by the capships cerbs anyway.

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[Valrin]

So...you say SNACs are stupid and should be nerfed...but you also say you kill BS all the time them SNACs...if you hate them why do you use them? Sorry mate but you make NO sense to me.
And a bomber has almost no chance to kill a BS with SNAC shots, the BS shields recharge to fast for that.

SNAC's are not stupid since they force you to get close to hit. All you need is time to kill caps yes, but in that period why not be pro-active and get an actual counter on the way such as a gb or fighter? Unless said cap was expecting to be able to 1v3 bombers if in a battleship, in which case I laugh and say tough luck.

That was in reference to Scumbag, not you.
I agree with you, to land a shot with a SNAC you have to be close...but in turn it lets the BS get a better shot at you.
A BS was not ment to go looking for bombers to kill (unlike a GB) but it can kill them.
Heck when I see 3 nova bombers I run for my life when flying a BS (by the time you see they have novas it's to late)
All in all I think bombers and there guns are just fine and need no change!

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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I SAID, IT MATTERS WHAT I MEANT!!!!

please go learn to english

[Evo]

So...you say SNACs are stupid and should be nerfed...but you also say you kill BS all the time them SNACs...if you hate them why do you use them? Sorry mate but you make NO sense to me.
And a bomber has almost no chance to kill a BS with SNAC shots, the BS shields recharge to fast for that.

SNAC's are not stupid since they force you to get close to hit. All you need is time to kill caps yes, but in that period why not be pro-active and get an actual counter on the way such as a gb or fighter? Unless said cap was expecting to be able to 1v3 bombers if in a battleship, in which case I laugh and say tough luck.

That was in reference to Scumbag, not you.
I agree with you, to land a shot with a SNAC you have to be close...but in turn it lets the BS get a better shot at you.
A BS was not ment to go looking for bombers to kill (unlike a GB) but it can kill them.
Heck when I see 3 nova bombers I run for my life when flying a BS (by the time you see they have novas it's to late)
All in all I think bombers and there guns are just fine and need no change!

Yeah, I know. I was too lazy to find the original post. xD. Honestly I don't even see GB's as meant to hunt bombers, it's more of a deterrence and usage in open battle. Fighters/interceptors are still the best thing to hunt bombers with if they're not committing to a fight.

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[Lunaphase]

The only problem with capital ships at the moment is that they were meant to have to use their turret loadouts to specialise. However, given that most of the "anti snub" options are pretty ungodly terrible and now even the missles have ammo, theres really no other choice but Cerbs on bigger ships and mortars for the lights for kiting the bigger ships.

Problem with SNAC i see, is that it CANNOT BE BLOCKED. Its damage is fine, its range is fine, the one outstanding issue is that once its launched there is not a whole lot a battleship can do. Most of the time, theres just no time from launch to impact to move such a large ship out of the way. Osirus and smaller battleships are a seperate story, but mainly, most cruisers and battleships just dont have the agility to dodge them, nor the armor to soak up that much punishment.

Problem with bombers is that even a rather sucky pilot like myself can get in one and with a buddy, pose a threat to ANY capital there is. Inversely, piloting a capital ship and being combat effective with it takes tactical foresight and some fair bit of skill.

The main issue here is that there is an obvious skill gap in the use of these two classes.

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