the Zoners

[BaconSoda]

(Haven't read anything)

Zoners, I think they should be selfish. Zoners should care about Freeports and themselves and that's it. A Zoner doing a trade run that starts and ends at someone else's base makes no sense to me. Zoners should only care about trading things that would benefit the Freeports or the Zoners. A Zoner that helps other people when it isn't in a direct Zone of Influence of a Freeport or when it doesn't concern a Zoner makes no sense to me. Zoners left the houses to get away from civilization and other people, and unless they make a profit from someone else, they really shouldn't care about that other person.

Because the Zoners are so powerful politically, and in military terms in the edge worlds, they can get away with this, and that is why they should be this way because of their very nature.

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[me_b_kevin]

i've always seen Zoners are a generic term for those who have left or been pushed out of the structured/governed houses. i don't see them being connected from freeport to freeport, meaning the zoners in the tau's would be a lot different from the zoners in the omicrons, each coming from separate backgrounds. they are similar to the junkers but without a common interest (junk). they cling to each other only through a common idea of independance, prefering not to get involved in conflicts and/or politics that would bring undue attention to their new homelands on the outer reaches of the galaxy. attention that could bring the corruption and oppression that typically comes with the houses and corporations when they stake a claim to new areas of space.

call them nomads or hermits, prefering to live outside of typical restraints of civilized society.


..........well, it's a thought anyway:D

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[bluntpencil2001]

Yes, as Doc Holliday points out, individual Zoners might be dangerous. However, their population and production isn't high enough on a wider scale.

Look at nations like Switzerland, for instance. They are known to be hard as nails. Do they make a difference globally? I'm sure they do, but not to the same extent as their neighbours.

Also, with the Deuterium trade from Gran Canaria, which is a habitated planet, showing cooperation with Corsairs...

That really doesn't ring true to me. That Deuterium is supplying Kusari warfleets, for instance, collaborating with their war effort, and also collaborating with known pirates.

It's really asking for a Bretonian invasion, or at least a strike. I doubt even the Corsairs would be able to protect it, what with Hessian expansion preventing the Fes to advance to 49. The Zoners wouldn't put up much resistance, as they appear to be the masters of soft power, but lacking in hard power.

Of course, this would have knock on effects, with Freeport 1 being taken, the Corsair link being widely publicised et cetera et cetera.

Oh, another thing I don't get is that Gran Canaria is a paradise with Corsairs on it. Why don't the Corsairs migrate there from Crete, and kick the Zoners out?

Oh, I can't remember this, but what is the date for the founding of Freeport 1?

I believe it as easonably recent.

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[Drake]

Oh, I can't remember this, but what is the date for the founding of Freeport 1?

I believe it as easonably recent.

Under 100 years... I think it was year 780-something.

[Koolmo]

77 Years ago, assumin' the Infocard is current as of Vanilla.

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[bluntpencil2001]

That leads me to believe that the Zoners are a reasonably new movement, compounding the idea that they might lack in particular areas, such as resources and personnel.

Since they are space-based, the population can't be high, that's for sure.

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[Kambei]

Oh, another thing I don't get is that Gran Canaria is a paradise with Corsairs on it. Why don't the Corsairs migrate there from Crete, and kick the Zoners out?

1. They cant because there is same issue like with freeport 9... zoner jurgenauts somewhere.
2. They cant because there are another fractions which have their own interests in canaria... BHg, Hessians, Junkers and Kusari of corse.
3. Planet that close to Bretonia is undefendable. Bretonia just need 1 alie for strike against corsairs. They just need split corsarian forces.... for example outcasts supported with angry zoners attack Crete and Bretoninas Gran Canaria.

Invasion into Gran Canaria is just too big risk and can be last mistake which corsairs or Bretonians do.

Same for Bretonia... if they attack Gran Canaria, corsairs just can move part of their fleet to guard Canaria, main defense forces are Jurgenauts... If Brets want Gran Canaria they need to move almost whole fleet into fight for that planet but with much powerfull Kusarinas knocking at the doors of Leeds? I dont think so.

If someone can get something from fight for Gran Canaria it would be Kusari, Outcasts and Hessains... nobody else.

(outcasts: weaker corsairs, Kusari: weaker Bretonia, Hessains: weaker everybody = omegas for free)

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[Turkish]

Highly intelligent fringe dwelling opportunists.

They operate in, on, and around the fringes of established society. Their goals are purely selfish, their own survival and advancement as a movement. I see the neutrality as a side effect of their cunning, and by cunning I mean their ability to play everyone equally.

If they see a good opportunity, they take it.

In terms of their power? I don't see them as being an overly powerful group, nor do I see them as weak. They sit amidst all other powers, unchecked and untested. Though as I recall the Corsairs keep a garrison in guard of O-49, so that may lend credibility to the assumption that Zoner power is only a fa?ade they project to intimidate potential enemies.

So in a sense they are powerful, but powerful does not meant mighty. I do believe however that if the Zoners were to disappear from Sirius all trade economies removed from the houses would fall.

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[n00bl3t]

Two) Zoners in Bretonia - they don't understand what would happen if the Bretonians discovered Gran Canaria. A fully resource laden planet, that is perfectly habitable = Eden for the Bretonians. Seriously, once it's been discovered the Dunkirks roll in and murder happens.

The Dunkirks would say hello to the Juggernaut?

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It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[bluntpencil2001]

1. They cant because there is same issue like with freeport 9... zoner jurgenauts somewhere.

Not good enough. Corsairs have the resources to wreck any Zoner fleet.

2. They cant because there are another fractions which have their own interests in canaria... BHg, Hessians, Junkers and Kusari of corse.

Yet more reason to attack.

3. Planet that close to Bretonia is undefendable. Bretonia just need 1 alie for strike against corsairs. They just need split corsarian forces.... for example outcasts supported with angry zoners attack Crete and Bretoninas Gran Canaria.

Invasion into Gran Canaria is just too big risk and can be last mistake which corsairs or Bretonians do.

If Kusari gets important fuel from Gran Canaria, which is an easier target than the Kusari fleet and has resources which Bretonia can use, it makes it a perfect target.

Same for Bretonia... if they attack Gran Canaria, corsairs just can move part of their fleet to guard Canaria, main defense forces are Jurgenauts... If Brets want Gran Canaria they need to move almost whole fleet into fight for that planet but with much powerfull Kusarinas knocking at the doors of Leeds? I dont think so.

If someone can get something from fight for Gran Canaria it would be Kusari, Outcasts and Hessains... nobody else.

Juggernauts? Please. Apparently there is only one Juggernaut, or very few, their existence not even very well documented by the Zoners themselves. The Bretonians have never heard of them. And Freeport 1 is terrified of Bretonian takeovers, but they don't bother. The infocards on GC suggest that A Bretonian takeover is possible, and that Corsairs are used as a buffer. In my opinion, this is utter idiocy. It only invites an attack. If Bretonia invaded, bombing Deuterium mines and Corsair bases, they would gain so much.

So in a sense they are powerful, but powerful does not meant mighty. I do believe however that if the Zoners were to disappear from Sirius all trade economies removed from the houses would fall.

Not true. Liberty doesn't really trade with Zoners. Neither do Bretonians. Rheinland neither. Kusari, a little. The Zoners attempt to exist outside of the majority of the economy, using an alternatie, trading with the IMG and similar.

The disappearance of such a small population wouldn't affect companies like Synth Foods who supply them very much. The Zoners have no major industries to speak of, their industrial brothers being the IMG.

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