Good god people, it's like jump on the band wagon and beat down the newbies. Every time I enter any kind of RH space (save frankfurt for obvious reasons) I RP with at least a few sentences in system chat.
We came from a mod solely based on RP with factions etc and no clans. Infact much of the rules in this community tend to lean more against RP than anything (Multiple faction membership etc. Although people can RP different people, things do slip through no matter what.)
We aren't solely interested in PVP. Combat without any RP to it just seems pointless and boring.
The point regarding us searching out the RM for combat is odd. If I ever do want to do that solely, I ask for a duel with OOC tags. Usually we enter New Berlin to chase traders, or to just cause some trouble for the traders there but it is the RM who call us out. So we can hardly just run away, or else we would be called cowards and would still be getting put down for running from fights. So trying to sway them etc tends to fail, usually due to the dialogue being cut short by weapon fire.
So how exactly are we OORP?
' Wrote:First, back off some on the combat. Students, intellectuals, etc., are in the business of persuasion, first and foremost. Approach RM's and talk! Argue with them. Make them justify their own loyalties, as you are demonstrating yours. Attempt to sway them to your side - as a small faction, you could use the support! (You might get players who fly RM make other characters to fly with you...)
Then do the same with traders, independents, etc. Do what the faction you envision would do in real life. Propaganda isn't an excuse for fighting; it is part of the struggle itself, and used well, can achieve your stated ends often in a more cost-effective manner.
There are two layers of Bundschuh; the politicians and the fighters. Bundschuh activists in Rhineland have splintered off the same way the Green Party in Bretonia spawned a militant faction (Gaians). There are definitely Bunds who are working to gain popular support, but those are the guys living on New Berlin who work within the system to affect change. By the time someone steps foot on Bruchsal they've become a little more extreme in their methods. Think Sinn Fein vs IRA.
As for someone else talking about all the missions being vs cops... yeah it seems that way most of the time. Probably 1 in 20 missions offered is Military and 1 in 50 is Daumann or Kruger. It looks very bad when a government uses it's army against it's own people, and Rhineland has already had one government toppled by rebelion in recent history. If the police are the organization charged with fighting the Bundschuh, it makes sense the (militant) Bundschuh spend most of their time fighting the police.
I'm with Linkus 150% here. We're new! Give us a break. Please, someone tell me that the VERY first time you logged on the server, you spewed RP goodness and have yet to make an OOC statement. We're working on things, and we're trying to be responsible for our members.
Also, I understand that we're not supposed to be actively seeking out and hitting up the RM every time... but if that's the case, then why do Bundschuh patrols spawn at The Ring, a location within about 1500 meters of Rheinland heavy cap spawns... I understand we're students, but don't most students think they're invincible anyway? Not saying we're wild suicidal people, but let's all open up a little bit. There's a LOAD of official factions that don't stick strictly to their RP. No one is perfect, but we're trying to get the general feel of our role and fulfill it.
Relax... we're going to pull it together. If we don't? Again, not a loss to anyone.
When I first joined the server, you're right, I didn't spawn 'RP goodness'.
I also didn't make a faction.
I'll be joining Gronath's little squad of nay-sayers now, I'm afraid, in spite of the promise shown with some of your posts. Keep working on it, you guys will manage after a while.
' Wrote:First, back off some on the combat. Students, intellectuals, etc., are in the business of persuasion, first and foremost. Approach RM's and talk! Argue with them. Make them justify their own loyalties, as you are demonstrating yours. Attempt to sway them to your side - as a small faction, you could use the support! (You might get players who fly RM make other characters to fly with you...)
Yea.. Thatd work if every time I entered Berlin, I didnt get shot at. There I was, near the Sigma jump hole, when a RHN Military fighter engaged me, I cruised off a bit, not really wanting to fight him, but he persisted on chasing me. So I turn around, and start to engage him. Fight goes on for several minutes, not much going either way when I get two Rheinland battleships jumped on me...
' Wrote:Yea.. Thatd work if every time I entered Berlin, I didnt get shot at. There I was, near the Sigma jump hole, when a RHN Military fighter engaged me, I cruised off a bit, not really wanting to fight him, but he persisted on chasing me. So I turn around, and start to engage him. Fight goes on for several minutes, not much going either way when I get two Rheinland battleships jumped on me...
When I first joined the server, you're right, I didn't spawn 'RP goodness'.
I also didn't make a faction.
I'll be joining Gronath's little squad of nay-sayers now, I'm afraid, in spite of the promise shown with some of your posts. Keep working on it, you guys will manage after a while.
Once again... I didn't make a faction. I joined a faction that some of my friends decided to make. I had no idea they were going to run off and do it, but who am I to shun them? I'm going to do my best to better the faction and help out in our development.
' Wrote:One bad turn deserves another, eh?
Set a good example if you are so right.
Two... battleships? And we're OORP. When was the last time the US Military threw two battleships at a drug smuggler who was driving a speedboat. We're sort of setting a new standard for new factions who don't even have capships on their requested ship list. Of course, we have the trade force to just about produce a battleships a week. And, who's to say that we couldn't all make independent chars, each with a battleship?
However, that would be dumbtastic. Thus... we're not doing that.
I think those BS's were indies.. Certainly not the RM.
But still, it's a valid point that there are idiotic indies on both lawful and unlawful sides, not only unlawful.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
I would have assumed that. I'd never expect the RM to do that, but the point remains that I think we're being pretty original in not requesting capships, much less large ones.
I just wanted to point a couple things out. When you say, "Students", "intellectuals", and so on you're describing how the Bundschuh was one hundred and sixty-two years of unceasing revolutionary conflict ago. Every single one of those intellectuals is dead. His children are dead. His grandchildren are dead.
When you say "guerrillas" you're describing the wrong end of the Bundschuh's militant arm - the end that doesn't exist except in roleplay. Guerrillas do not fly big, expensive military space ships marked with distinctive ID codes. In fact, they don't fly spaceships at all, though they might make use of them on occasion to transport personnel and materiel or to enable saboteurs to carry out their mission. In other words, they have no place in Freelancer gameplay.
Over time, however, guerrilla units inevitably transform into regular military units (if they survive). Guerrillas, on their own, cannot hope to conquer a country. In our case, all Rheinland would need to do is cut off imports to a rebellious province with its powerful star navy (or, on a more local scale, with its powerful army, backed by a star navy that rules the skies, preventing anyone else from using an army effectively). Who would break the blockade? Politically aware peasants with looted rifles? Of course not. A space navy disrupts a space navy. An army crushes an army.
The [BU] is regular military. It flies military vessels with weapons openly displayed. It operates under a distinct IFF code. And, as regular military, it is tasked with one very simple thing: annihilate all overt military and paramilitary threats to the Bundschuh in the most expeditious manner possible. While tactical concerns may dictate an expeditious manner that at times does not include engaging in battle, tactical concerns are decided according to the natures of the forces available for any particular conflict. And those are determined in game. From my point of view, if you play a military faction and you don't want to take advantage of every opportunity to probe, harass, disrupt, and destroy the enemy, and you don't want every opportunity to be exploited against you, that, not "PVP-whoring", is Out Of Roleplay.
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