Just thought i'd put these compromise Ideas out here, in the hope that we might get the dev opinion.
Aquilon counter proposal Version 1:
remove the heavies.
switch 2 of the prims to where the heavies were. (from bottom to top)
remove the resultant vacant turret slots on the bottom
keep it jump capable by itself
At least a BC core. - with BC Core, that would be JD2
either keep hull as is, or nerf it slightly to 800k to trade off for the prims.
Aquilon counter proposal version 2:
Aquilon counter offer proposal:
Switch the meds and heavies to cruiser turret slots
keep it jump capable by itself - with BC Core, that would be JD2
At least a BC core.
either keep hull as is, or nerf it slightly to 800k to trade off for the prims.
if possible, with a bit of extra tweaking of the JD3 stats (and aquilon powercore balancing), efficient jump usage might be possible.
Not gonna waste time trying to debate this, though i disagree with it.
However, i will state that the nephelim replace seems a bit...against common sense.
Lets take a big ship that sails through areas riddled with asteroids, and put a bunch of fragile solar panels sticking off the side.
Be like the resheph, you will hit EVERYTHING. Wasnt as much of a problem with old aquil since it could shrug off alot, but as a transport i dont see huge spindly things everywhere being too much of a benefit in its primary operation areas.
that, and exposed fuel tanks? really?
The body looks fine but the panels and all the antennas will be a nightmare to use if its hitboxed. Considering that most of the zoner stations are in astroid field filled systems.
(03-06-2014, 05:29 AM)Saronsen Wrote: I can literally solo a juggernaut with JUST the forward gun on my nomad gunboat. I can't do the same to other gunboats, and almost certainly can't do the same to zoner cruisers
well my big "friend" you know the nomad gunboat is buffed and has cruiser turrets if im not mistaken? Also not sure if its changed yet, but i remember the faction khara asking for a cargo buff on it so it can have a cau8 and gb cloak. Which makes it basically the most imballanced gb.. My word.. NERF go for balance
Now lets talk about the tundra.. Knowing zapp isn't playing anymore and he was given that Srp, also seeing there is no srp request for flying it by someone else.. I wonder about the rules on this... Or why does nomads need the tundra? When they have a fantastic shipline already?
The Persephone is inRP the only warship. All the other are colony ships, transports and llighter security ships. some tech is researched from the Persephone to use on ships like the whale, Strangely enough.. but i guess you don't even know that.. Figures...Now you may pm me and explain me fully, why nomads need the tundra? Especially since that rp is fully extinct now..
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(03-06-2014, 09:08 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: Dammit, Duv, now you've got me wanting to track down Zapp so I can ask him if it's alright if I re-SRP the Tundra.
ask Yuri, he has its keys and fly it sometimes. At least last I know about it..
But all in all you can question a lot of the mod. Why does corsairs have a bs? (lorewise) or outcasts have 2? Img as a mining faction having an own cap ship (cruiser) and access to the biggest caps ingame. Highly skilled miners they are I wonder. But it really doesn't matter, because all got into the game due to players wanting to have capital ships for their favourite faction. While some are left behind due to lack of interest it created during the time the mod exists a lot of fun encounters.
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PVP and RP are two separate thing, inRP the presence of heavily armed and armoured colony ships and carriers is a deterrent to attacking. PVP is not RP, the fact that the devs balanced the ships to be pretty useless is a good thing in my mind, doesn't stop people running around with them being morons but that's just the way it is.
Actually one can argue that Nomad weaponry heavily out classes Sirian weaponry and as a result would be able to pull something off similar to what Saronsen described...
Though I am heavily biased towards tentacles, so, take it as you may.
(03-07-2014, 12:06 AM)Gytrash Wrote: PVP is not RP
This is pretty much false, considering that on Discovery, PvP is a key component of the roleplaying environment.
Then according to RP the Liberty navy already owns New Berlin.
Or whoever it is that's winning the capspam battles at the moment.
Edit:
I'm not saying that PVP cannot influence RP. the fact that I'm in the process of paying out a bounty means that I cannot say that. I'm saying that PVP cannot be the be all and end all of Roleplay and there needs to be a balance between the two. After all, if PVP is the only thing that affects RP I may as well delete all my characters right here and now because I am the worst PVPer ever.
Edit of Edit
Also here's a thing I got told to post it somewhere and every time I post a new thread a set of trolls posts in it to say " Huur Hurr ZONERZONERZONER remove Zoners hurr." Seeing as this thread has already seen posts from all those people I'll post it here. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qU3w...q9lutyh5eh
It's what we could whip up in a short time. We haven't got access to everything. The forum search is immensely frustrating, searching Nephilim returns about 9 results every time for me and I'm not sure why, only one of them is Zoner related.
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