Reapers Of sirius

[Omicron]

Exactly that is what im saying! RoS have never had caps as far as im aware. They are just a big pile of **** and a waste of money and space. RoS could have one as a flagship but then again they could also have a gunboat for that.

You haven't been around here long enough to hear about RFS Silent Edge which was quite legendary Ranseur back in RoS' days of glory. Besides I flown RBS Valhalla, also a Ranseur while at it. Educate yourself first.

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[Arioch]

Does no one else realize that Cayman is in fact being used by RoS/Zoners currently? Namely, me and Conrad along with Nik (From RoS)? VERY small, and no one is taking over anything, but there actually is RP going with the RoS/Zoners, albeit an indie Zoner group under me.

To add weight to this discussion, whether or not RoS are coming back or not, doesn't mean you can't RP there. Why does anyone NEED to claim a system? Why can't you just use what you have with the what is available to you? For instance, I have people on both Kara Research Station and Antikythera Shipyard. Are they taking over? No. Are they trying to claim Cayman as their own? No. So i'm using Cayman to it's potential without stepping on anyone's toes, working with those who still RP RoS, and enjoying it.

So until Dev's come up with what they want to do, or someone wants to bring back RoS, or lastly someone comes up with a freaking AMAZING reason to incorporate Cayman into what they have, why is there a need to argue over who gets what? Just RP it out, and see where it goes.

Btw, Cayman is mine... JK

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[Shaggy]

Omicron, I am not 100% what RoS RP is but ive had a RoS on another server and as far as I am aware I never saw 1 RoS BS or Cruiser ingame, it makes sense RoS can't fly them without a "SRP" in my eyes because they don't have the numbers Corsair or Hessians have so they cannot get a crew together for many of them. That is why I suggest 1 Cruiser or Battleship that it is as a flagship. Not 4 - 5 of them that just stupid.

I havent been around here long nope but ive been playing Freelancer since 84. mostly on another server that was destroyed and all the backup files are gone with my SRP faction and my SRP for a Necrosis in this faction which I am willing to help RoS revive it self with the only RP I have on my faction I created. So Omicron if you don't mind please stop saying I need to Educate myself before I do anything, because I obviously was not around when RoS were highly active like IMG are now

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[Omicron]

What you did on another server is unlikely to be what faction creators have intended. We had fair share of OC caps, courtesy of former Maltese aligning very early in faction's history. And we really speak of times like .84 *and* earlier, where not even I was around. Lohingren, Jihad Joe, some other people I had not much occasion to talk with and by some extension, also I after poking Lohi thousand times about the lore, INRP secrets, plans and intentions.

There was good share of very stealthy undertable discussions with Keepers (now K'Hara) that only a couple of characters alive actually knows of. I am not really sure if any of the original RoS members still hanging around disco forums (Jihad Joe comes to my mind) would bother explaining everything again. Shame, really. It was really deep role play even for current standards. It just got buried under newcommers instead of passed on.

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[Shaggy]

Well Omicron I havent been here on GC very long, My first factions I joined where Omicroners and Benitez and they both disbanded and ive had to move on from the amazing RP I enjoyed playing. But I know maybe the basic's of RoS and it was would be sad to see such faction be disbanded and changed.

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[Tabris]

From what I understand the RoS RP consists of this formula: Try to unite the Hispanic splinter groups through force if necessary, wipe out the Coalition and those aligned with their cause = Profit? .

But I think the original question has been answered: The Reapers are presently a dead faction due to loss of officialdom, may or may not be trying a comeback depending on people, if not resources may likely be either deleted/converted or otherwise opened with proper lore tweaks.

*shrug*

[Sciamach]

Btw, Cayman is mine... JK

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[ sci·am·ach ]
/sīˈamək/

A simple, angry man casually working his way through life on a personal quest to acquire copious amounts of street cred.

[Trogdor]

Lets break this down to clear points.

1. the suggestion of it becoming a zoner system......

there's a couple of problems with that. firstly, who would administer it?
All three official factions already have a system that they either own (TAZ and Baffin) or watch over in an unofficial manner. (Phoenix and 74, OSI and 49)

Why would it need any administration? Does anyone administrate Bethlehem, Erie, Gran Can, Lanzarote? Did anyone administrate Livadia, Corfu, Corinth, Sparta, FP15 before the Omicroners and, later, Phoenix got their grubby paws on them? I recall things marching along just fine without any player or official faction 'speaking for' those stations.
If a faction wanted to step up and personify the Zoners' struggle to settle in Cayman, that'd be fine, but in no way would it be a requirement for the idea to work.

Handing the system over to the run of the mill zoner indie? pointless. It would only give a basis for the more pvp-orientated zoner indies to cause trouble with and around.

That's the whole point. It would give people who want to roleplay fighting Zoners a place, and a valid reason, to do so. And by providing this sandbox for them to play in, by saying "Yes, this is OK", we may potentially reduce the amount of Zoners doing undesirable things, like wandering into Liberty and picking fights with the Navy. If the admins find a Zoner cap causing trouble, they can just put it in Cayman instead of Bastille.

Secondly, it would cause friction between zoners and all the surrounding factions. Especially if the system was floded by zoner caps wanting to shoot stuff.

Actually, it wouldn't. The beauty of Cayman is that it's
1) somewhat secluded
2) not a bottleneck system. Its only exits are to O-49 and 47, and you can travel between O-49 and 47 without going through Cayman.

Therefore, the official factions could simply wash their hands of the activities going on within Cayman if they so chose. And frankly, I think most indies would prefer it that way.

Despite what some believe, diplomacy for the official factions are quite a balancing act.

You're trying too hard. Take a diploma-cation.

EDIT: You just had a civil war of sorts in O74, and a massive invasion by and war against Corsairs, Order, Core and lots of other people. Zoners can always create trouble, you don't need any more assets for that. You can build your own.

fun fact: at one point during the second round of ZA loldom, we actually considered asking the admins and devs to enact an OC civil war style scenario just so we could purge ZA from the system. ZA went quiet again before that could go any further than discussions. go figure on that.

The situation ZA created was... undesirable. That was an example where rogue Zoners really did foul things up for their fellow man, what with setting their bases to fire on whoever came into the system and whatnot. Which is why I didn't join them.
They attempted to carve their own path outside of the well-worn path of Zoner boring-plomacy, and I respect their effort. But insodoing, went a bit too far outside the boundaries of Zoner philosophy. If we were to implement my idea, it would be necessary to maintain the Zoners' defensive posture. Because you're right, we don't want people using the conflict in Cayman as justification to go raid the attacking factions elsewhere.
Therefore, we would write into the station infocards that the Zoners are to defend the territory they've already settled into, and it is the other factions' job to attack. The Zoners' role would be supplemented by the commodity they're trying to export out of the system, giving pirates, traders, and trader escorts a 'spot' where all parties know that they can log in and find activity there.

And maybe, just maybe, we could revive the ROS by making them the Zoners' allies in the conflict.

now back to topic....

if reapers were to be scrapped completely like the phooms, caymand could make a nice battleground system where Coalition/hessians/sairs et al fight to control the bases. (maybe like 1 base each).

There's already a battleground system where coalition/hessians/sairs fight each other without Zoners, it's called Omega 5.

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[KaiserDietz]

There's already a battleground system where coalition/hessians/sairs fight each other without Zoners, it's called Omega 5.

And at that it really doesn't get any action.

[Gulryz]

@drobbe No one gonna claim Cayman, I just wanna see reapers back

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