Bretonian RP - Stagnant? New Ideas? Pushing the line?

[Thyrzul]

Nope.
The NAP states that the gauls recognize the owner of the Mollys over Dublin , Derry and ervy Molly bases. That's all.

And that's kinda enough for Gallia not to turn on Mollys unless they want to break the NAP. That they recognize Mollys as owners of what you listed above in that treaty supports their story of only having revenge on Bretonia and Liberty.

Besides simply being careful - which I assume they are towards everybody - why would Mollys expect Gallia to break their word and turn on them once dealt with Bretonia? Resources aren't the reason either as access to gold is covered in the NAP, as you said. What else then?

Additionally, while a NAP is formally not an alliance, there is little difference when you see GRN and Mollys take on Bretonian warships alongside eachother.

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[KUBANA]

After reading the first posts I came to a conclusion, that you guys have one SERIOUS problem.

You keep creating new factions and dread to kill any old or previously created faction. Well guess what, in reality, factions always come and go. So I don't see a reason why you can't destroy let's say Council and merge em with Colonials. Or why you couldn't just destroy Gallia or even Bretonia - I have a news for you, this is not the Freelancer you used to know when shooting nommies as Trent.

If you want to create, you have to destroy, otherwise we will have shitloads of new factions, struggling for space with old factions and this can't go forever, taking in account that there is MOSTLY 120 people active on server at a time and that means that you have vast amounts of space being unpopulated and factions that are more or less dead and you won't meet anyone in some corners of space for weeks.

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[KUBANA]

+ Mollys are like old Irish ... they don't hate Bretonia, they just want some systems which they can call their home. I don't think they would want to overthrow the crown and conquer all Bretonia... thats bullshit. And I don't see a reason why wouldn't the Mollys fight against Gallia as well. just because enemy of my enemy is my friend? That's also very unlikely. My opinion is that in this situation Mollys would actually merge their forces alongside Bretonia to fend of invading Gallia, because they realize that if they have problems with fighting Bretonia, they have nearly no chance to get some systems from stronger usurper than the former was.

First things first, that's the logic I would use as a Molly leader.

And most of all what is that NAP between Mollys and Gallia? Well tell me why would Gallia give Mollys Leeds and Dublin, when their main purpose of invading Bretonia and other houses is to get their hands on resources they need? So let's say you invade a country and take their resources, because you need them as hell and instantly you give dem resources to local pirates because hey helped you to conquer that country. That's contraproductive.

And I don't think that Mollys are as dumb as to help Gauls just because they promised them those systems. After conquering Bretonia I don't see a reason why wouldn't Gallia wipe out local pirates to keep their profits going... That's also logical way.

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[Vicho Deivis]

You keep creating new factions and dread to kill any old or previously created faction. Well guess what, in reality, factions always come and go. So I don't see a reason why you can't destroy let's say Council and merge em with Colonials. Or why you couldn't just destroy Gallia or even Bretonia - I have a news for you, this is not the Freelancer you used to know when shooting nommies as Trent.

Do you know that most of the council are in Galia, right? With their own story and all. There is not only Rousselion.

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[Blodwyn O'Driscoll]

Nope.
The NAP states that the gauls recognize the owner of the Mollys over Dublin , Derry and ervy Molly bases. That's all.

And that's kinda enough for Gallia not to turn on Mollys unless they want to break the NAP. That they recognize Mollys as owners of what you listed above in that treaty supports their story of only having revenge on Bretonia and Liberty.

Besides simply being careful - which I assume they are towards everybody - why would Mollys expect Gallia to break their word and turn on them once dealt with Bretonia? Resources aren't the reason either as access to gold is covered in the NAP, as you said. What else then?

Additionally, while a NAP is formally not an alliance, there is little difference when you see GRN and Mollys take on Bretonian warships alongside eachother.

Personaly, i'm not even aware is there are Mollys who know why the two Kingdoms are at war.
All they do supose is quite simple, why would a militaristic superpower leave a group which is highly unpredictable, behind their back while this superpower could try to wipe them out ( and probably succeed ) and take all the system for itself and the only source of gold of the entire sirius.
This is simple politic stance : you cannot trust some group that is more powerfull than you ( Machiavelli ), because you will always be at its mercy.

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That is the crux of the matter.
If you aid us, and you aid them, you are the enemy.
If you do not aid them, you are worthless outside of extortion potential.
If you aid us, you will be treated with respect.

Colin H. Breen, of the Molly Republic

[Thyrzul]

So I don't see a reason why you can't destroy let's say Council and merge em with Colonials.

I suggest you go read up on what these factions are and come back once you know what you are talking about.

And most of all what is that NAP between Mollys and Gallia? Well tell me why would Gallia give Mollys Leeds and Dublin, when their main purpose of invading Bretonia and other houses is to get their hands on resources they need? So let's say you invade a country and take their resources, because you need them as hell and instantly you give dem resources to local pirates because hey helped you to conquer that country. That's contraproductive.

If you'd read only a few posts back, it's been stated that Gallic corporate access to Dublin's gold is part of the agreement between Gallia and the Mollys, why would Gallia want to turn against Mollys for something they already got? And Gallia don't want to give Leeds to the Mollys, the Mollys don't even want Leeds. I don't know what you try to say here, but it doesn't seem to be based on accurate information.

And I don't think that Mollys are as dumb as to help Gauls just because they promised them those systems. After conquering Bretonia I don't see a reason why wouldn't Gallia wipe out local pirates to keep their profits going... That's also logical way.

Again, read back a bit and you'd see what the public knows is that Gallia wants to have revenge on Bretonia and Liberty, and will only think that until it becomes apparent and clearly evident that they need resources, and the main motivator is that. Said revenge does not include crushing the Mollys.

@O'Driscoll
Mollys not knowing why they are at war? You mean, Mollys not reading the news? You know, our dear Charles started their assault with a Sirius-wide and Gallia-wide message about how Liberty and Bretonia gonna pay for what their ancestors did. Telling me Mollys don't even care about the reasons behind the Gallic-Bretonian war? Seriously?

The carefulness you are talking about is logical and understandable, but there are a few points against it as well, would there be not I don't think the NAP would have happened at all.

Besides I do think Gallia cares about Mollys agenda either, at least had to prior to signing the NAP (why would you sign treaties with somebody you don't know well enough), they should know about what you fight for. And that makes you less unpredictable than what you try to imply.

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[Blodwyn O'Driscoll]

@O'Driscoll
Mollys not knowing why they are at war? You mean, Mollys not reading the news? You know, our dear Charles started their assault with a Sirius-wide and Gallia-wide message about how Liberty and Bretonia gonna pay for what their ancestors did. Telling me Mollys don't even care about the reasons behind the Gallic-Bretonian war? Seriously?

The carefulness you are talking about is logical and understandable, but there are a few points against it as well, would there be not I don't think the NAP would have happened at all.

Besides I do think Gallia cares about Mollys agenda either, at least had to prior to signing the NAP (why would you sign treaties with somebody you don't know well enough), they should know about what you fight for. And that makes you less unpredictable than what you try to imply.[/color][/align]

The NAP happened because it simply suited the agenda of the Mollys, i would even say, that it suited the agenda of the Molly leardership back then :
- less enemy to fight : means all Mollys forces are available to clean up Dublin.
- Direct access to gold market : meaning not having to rely on another faction, and having the whole benefits for themselfs only.
Have their own economy, is indeed a great step forward for them.


I would only add something about the mistrust of the Mollys toward the Gauls : the first scouting party the gauls sent in Edi simply opened fire on the Molly patrol that was here when the gauls finished the Brets they met first.

Well, in conclusion, the Mollys thinks the NAP is simply opportunistic for both partys.
And it will probably cease once it won't suit anymore one of them

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That is the crux of the matter.
If you aid us, and you aid them, you are the enemy.
If you do not aid them, you are worthless outside of extortion potential.
If you aid us, you will be treated with respect.

Colin H. Breen, of the Molly Republic

[Ironwatsas]

I've already factored these issues into my ideas. You need to take into account the big picture when thinking of a broader war scenario. Events in Bretonia are connected with events elsewhere. The Kusari Exiles' storyline are connected with those of the Colonials. Even though I think most of their storyline is silly, I'm trying to make it plausible against the background and logical consequences.

1) The KE are more focus on return to their home than waste their lives against Galia. Wich is what makes more sense inRP. Plus as far I know there is little to zero contact between CR and KE. I don't know why, could be old ooRP problems or the fact that the main focus of the KE is not Galia.

What the KE want is to launch a counter-coup of the Kusari Government. Retake the old Imperial throne, and make Kusari the same as it was Pre-war. The thing is, Irp, there's a good chunk of Kusari that want's the same thing.

Once that's done however, assuming Gallia is still the threat it is, or if Gallia intervenes in any civil conflict in Kusari, then the pro-Imperialist and Militarist elements will invariably strike back, if only to get as much of Gallic territory and resources as they can obtain.

Don't get me wrong. The Colonials will fight the GRN to the end of our days but we understad realities, and the reality is that we don't have the numbers to face the GRN directly. inRP we have presence all along the front, from Bretonia to the Taus, but mostly in form of small squadrons of fightesr and bombers. The council or even the exiles have more firepower inRP than us.

Strategically, distributing colonial forces peacemeal within a larger military which uses completely different equipment, doctrines, and command apparatus is generally a bad idea. It complicates logistics and supply, and leads to different chains of command trying to work through each other.

OORPly, this is another part of the BAF issue. CR, KE, and LN are trying to do the BAF's job. Admittedly, joint operations between the LN and BAF makes sense, at this point, but there needs to be enough of a difference between the two so that they're not basically "the same faction fighting the same enemy with different guns". The same applies to the CR.

I have a few reasons for suggesting Tau-44. It's a cute little system nestled away and deserves more attention. The CR have a reason to want to take it back. Strategically, if they were to attack it even with just a roving carrier group or raiders, it would force the GRN to spread resources out to defend it.

Finally, I wouldn't mind seeing an expansion to the CR (in addition to the other former player/now NPC factions, since we went through the trouble to give them "stuff" in the first place). Coronado is fine and all, and is a nice system, but giving them their own front, and their own niche in the war separate from the BAF would certainly have nothing but benefits overall.

We may be crazy enough to challenge Galia but we are not stupids.

LIES!!!1

3) Tau 44 itself have no value. If you see the rumors* in the GRN bases there you will find that they have no idea of what to do with the system. Is far away, no particulary mineral rich, Borneo is too ugly to live there... etc.

But it's cute, remote, and the CR's old home. Right now it has no purpose, but it's still a nice place and has enough of a history and good design to warrant using it for something. A dedicated CR/GRN battleground might be a breath of fresh air for both parties.

4) The GC are allies of the OC, a declared enemy of the Colonials. So I don't belive that they help us at all.

The GC are a wild card, and their involvement, the nature of said involvement, etc depend on a wide variety of variables.

The reason I suggested them is such that 1: They occupy Tau-65, which is next door to '44. 2: They have activity problems too. Their faction doesn't really have much purpose to exist at this point besides the novelty of being all-female pirates/Ame food.

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[Vicho Deivis]

What the KE want is to launch a counter-coup of the Kusari Government. Retake the old Imperial throne, and make Kusari the same as it was Pre-war. The thing is, Irp, there's a good chunk of Kusari that want's the same thing.

Once that's done however, assuming Gallia is still the threat it is, or if Gallia intervenes in any civil conflict in Kusari, then the pro-Imperialist and Militarist elements will invariably strike back, if only to get as much of Gallic territory and resources as they can obtain.

We are saying the same thing. The only pdiference is that I don't belive that the civil war start any time soon or that last for very little time.

I have a few reasons for suggesting Tau-44. It's a cute little system nestled away and deserves more attention. The CR have a reason to want to take it back. Strategically, if they were to attack it even with just a roving carrier group or raiders, it would force the GRN to spread resources out to defend it.

Finally, I wouldn't mind seeing an expansion to the CR (in addition to the other former player/now NPC factions, since we went through the trouble to give them "stuff" in the first place). Coronado is fine and all, and is a nice system, but giving them their own front, and their own niche in the war separate from the BAF would certainly have nothing but benefits overall.

The elections of the Colonial Republic, where Allen DeMille (Teerin) won:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread...pid1500117

In reference of give us a new role: Could be nice. But we don't like to move from one place to the another, only because someone don't like where we are. If what I've heard about how we lost Tau-44 (in ooRP) is actuarate it, it whouldn't be the first time. Something about that it was better for the story when Galia invade. Note: I would like to hear others versions.

LIES!!!1

We are not bombarding New Paris, right? That have to count for something xD

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[Thunderer]

We are not bombarding New Paris, right? That have to count for something xD

Actually, I did have in mind to bombard it with Gaian wildlife in capsules (so that they survive when they land and be free to roam around and do whatever Gaian wildlife does when roaming around a planet full of people with berets). Not a BAf plan, just by some BAF Admiral's crazy brother.
Would anyone like to help make it real?
The Gallic retaliation would be interesting.

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