A doubt about IDs

[Zen_Mechanics]

Here is a thought experiment, if a corsair is trying to do things that as a zoner you find silly and down right insane, like shooting zoner npcs infront of you - and he then runs along, until he meets youagain - why on earth would I go through the trouble of pretending like yesterday never happened. Who cares what the ID says, The golden rule is, do what your character would do - if you were really him. It works out pretty well to me, but maybe because Its really working well on the zoner ID? But yeah, you raised a correct point.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Mímir]

You are a neutral, not a vengeful warlord. You want to maintain that neutrality, you live off of it, so you are smart - you hire mercs if you are out for blood and vengeance.

There is a radical difference between defense and vengeance.

I know those words are wasted on you though, because you have a radically different perception of Zoners as a highly confrontational militarized force. Where you get that from, I do not know.



From a rules perspective, imagine the difficulty related to proving one thing or the other. What if you kill the guy three weeks later, he has no recollection of it and reports you? It's a messy situation. So, live and let live - and if that's too much of a challenge hire someone capable (ID-wise) to do the dirty work. If it is someone systematically harassing you, you'll have plenty chances of defense within the limitations on the Zoner ID. There is no *real* problem (save for Zoners having far too many pvp-ships, confusing a lot of players about what Zoners are on paper).

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[DragonLancer]

The long term roleplay consequences are bounties and a FR5.

And I agreed with Mimir that this looks like an attempt to find a loophole.
Also you need to think of the consequences for your char who wants to perform this kind of revenge RP.

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[Zen_Mechanics]

You are a neutral, not a vengeful warlord. You want to maintain that neutrality, you live off of it, so you are smart - you hire mercs if you are out for blood and vengeance.

There is a radical difference between defense and vengeance.

I know those words are wasted on you though, because you have a radically different perception of Zoners as a highly confrontational militarized force. Where you get that from, I do not know.



From a rules perspective, imagine the difficulty related to proving one thing or the other. What if you kill the guy three weeks later, he has no recollection of it and reports you? It's a messy situation. So, live and let live - and if that's too much of a challenge hire someone capable (ID-wise) to do the dirty work. If it is someone systematically harassing you, you'll have plenty chances of defense within the limitations on the Zoner ID. There is no *real* problem (save for Zoners having far too many pvp-ships, confusing a lot of players about what Zoners are on paper).

Yeah, its called critical thinking - and open mind - but these terms dont exist in your library it seems and stamping out none conventional ideas is your thing. Not to mention that you contradict what you previously said. But I get it, the mainstream phobia of millitan zoners is growing like a tumor in this community for a very long time, but luckely I don't have to do what you say, so I am completely fine. In every society you will find a more radical movement in it, bear that in mind the next time you try to make a mockery out of my character, oh have I mentioned the fact that I'm done talking to you? Clearly you are just a guy off the corner with some issues. I don't deserve that kind of treatment from you, and I am compelled to disrespect you in every shape and form possible. Confused we are, indeed - by some of you who think they are entitled to create one set of rules and dogmas. You don't like the Idea of millitan zoners? Deal with it, Open a thread in the floods - telling others you're dismayed from thinking correctly, but don't think you can roam in here and intetionaly provoke me. Good bye.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[VoluptaBox]

That was quite a mouthful. Did make me chuckle, though.

As for the ID itself: it would be nice to have a statement from someone with authority, but I mostly see it the way Mimir does. While such limitations won't always make 100% sense in pure RP terms, they do have a purpose (mostly defining roles, I suppose).

[DragonLancer]

I'll try to sum it up:
A single Zoner who goes after a skilled and ruthless Corsair who surely got a pack of also skilled mates backing him him - RP wise oc.

As far as I remember we already had this 'thought experiment' which let to a blockade of FP9 and KOS of all Zoner ships in Corsair space.

Reminds me to start pirating indy Zoners in Theta again with my Corsair char by the way.

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[Gypsie Skripto]

... it would be nice to have a statement from someone with authority, but I mostly see it the way Mimir does. While such limitations won't always make 100% sense in pure RP terms, they do have a purpose (mostly defining roles, I suppose).

Got this one page ago, proceding acordingly. If some Mod could close the thread already?

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[Mímir]

Yeah, its called critical thinking - and open mind - but these terms dont exist in your library it seems and stamping out none conventional ideas is your thing. Not to mention that you contradict what you previously said. But I get it, the mainstream phobia of millitan zoners is growing like a tumor in this community for a very long time, but luckely I don't have to do what you say, so I am completely fine. In every society you will find a more radical movement in it, bear that in mind the next time you try to make a mockery out of my character, oh have I mentioned the fact that I'm done talking to you? Clearly you are just a guy off the corner with some issues. I don't deserve that kind of treatment from you, and I am compelled to disrespect you in every shape and form possible. Confused we are, indeed - by some of you who think they are entitled to create one set of rules and dogmas. You don't like the Idea of millitan zoners? Deal with it, Open a thread in the floods - telling others you're dismayed from thinking correctly, but don't think you can roam in here and intetionaly provoke me. Good bye.

Achievement unlocked!

Lighten up, bud. You are the only one advocating for militarized zoners, and yet you still believe that it's everyone else that is wrong and you are right. Do yourself a favor and try to understand what people have told you in what must be hundreds of posts by now. I do apologize if I come across as curt, I am aware of that, but then again this is a forum I am not emotionally invested in and I don't think anyone should be. It's just a game. Also how can I be to blame for you being overly sensitive? Pls, get over yourself.


Also if your line about critical thinking is to be taken seriously, how about refuting what people tell you with proper arguments rather than lash out with these attacks and constant situating yourself as a victim? You are not a victim, get real.

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[n00bl3t]

You are a neutral, not a vengeful warlord. You want to maintain that neutrality, you live off of it, so you are smart - you hire mercs if you are out for blood and vengeance.

There is a radical difference between defense and vengeance.

I know those words are wasted on you though, because you have a radically different perception of Zoners as a highly confrontational militarized force. Where you get that from, I do not know.

Yeah, its called critical thinking - and open mind - but these terms dont exist in your library it seems and stamping out none conventional ideas is your thing. Not to mention that you contradict what you previously said. But I get it, the mainstream phobia of millitan zoners is growing like a tumor in this community for a very long time, but luckely I don't have to do what you say, so I am completely fine. In every society you will find a more radical movement in it, bear that in mind the next time you try to make a mockery out of my character, oh have I mentioned the fact that I'm done talking to you? Clearly you are just a guy off the corner with some issues. I don't deserve that kind of treatment from you, and I am compelled to disrespect you in every shape and form possible. Confused we are, indeed - by some of you who think they are entitled to create one set of rules and dogmas. You don't like the Idea of millitan zoners? Deal with it, Open a thread in the floods - telling others you're dismayed from thinking correctly, but don't think you can roam in here and intetionaly provoke me. Good bye.

Achievement unlocked!

Lighten up, bud. You are the only one advocating for militarized zoners, and yet you still believe that it's everyone else that is wrong and you are right. Do yourself a favor and try to understand what people have told you in what must be hundreds of posts by now. I do apologize if I come across as curt, I am aware of that, but then again this is a forum I am not emotionally invested in and I don't think anyone should be. It's just a game. Also how can I be to blame for you being overly sensitive? Pls, get over yourself.


Also if your line about critical thinking is to be taken seriously, how about refuting what people tell you with proper arguments rather than lash out with these attacks and constant situating yourself as a victim? You are not a victim, get real.

Mimir does it to get a rise out of you. He's here for the arguments in general, by his own admission in previous posts. The moment you have any emotion or even show any emotion in posts, you lose. Take it as just a game and take Mimir as just an avatar. Makes it easier.

Also, I've advocated for militant Zoners as well and it's pretty much what previous Omicroners roleplay supported, and to an extent what Phoenix roleplay these days supports.

Currently [TAZ] is being militant towards Order| and to some extent GRN. (Yes, they're bountying them and no they're not out hunting them, but if Order| came into Baffin again even without shooting them the [TAZ] would open fire because of memory of yesterday.)

I don't know/why how people confuse militant with military. Maybe English failure. Whether or not a character is militant is dependent on how they're built up.

Fair bit of history behind it and whilst it doesn't fit in with whatever warped view people have of Zoners (the primary classic being the weed-smoking chilled guy who's 110% pacifist even when you're skinning off his face) it still exists.

Zoners aren't space pacifists, they're space libertarians.

I like how people try and portray Zen Mechanics to be crazy though to devalue his point, because the summation of his post is:
a) It's silly for a character to have a memory of a goldfish.
b) It's silly, if dependent on his character, to not be violent to someone who has harmed your group.
c) Sometimes, it's personal, and bounties won't suffice.

Which isn't crazy at all, but I'm keen to see the next post which tries the same tactic.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[glassofwater]

There is a radical difference between defense and vengeance.

This entirely. Of course inRP your character could recognize, but it wouldn't be in defense of the situation. But in remembrance of it. Though I could see how the battle might happen if it was all RP'd well. But again, as Mimir said, defence ≠ vengeance.